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Best 12" speaker for a Trainwreck clone?

doc

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What would be your choice for a single 12 inch speaker for a Trainwreck style amp? (output between 35 and 50 watts) So far I'm the most interested in:
Emi Cannabis Rex
Emi Wizard
Weber Silver Bell 50 watt (or 75 watt?)
Weber Blue Dog 50 watt
Emi Red Fang (probably too easy to blow)
Celestion Gold (too expensive)
I tend to play classic stuff and heavy blues. I usually prefer a more complex, "vintage" sound to really clean heavy modern sounds, but don't want muffled, plummy sounds - think clear but textured.
Having a lightweight Neo speaker option would be attractive too, but of the choices I don't think any have quite the sonic potential of the above choices. If you think a Lil Texas, Tonkerlite or Jensen Neo should be on the list please pipe up.
I've played it through a Cannabis Rex - a bit dark but interesting, and a Celestion Blue using an attenuator (which tends to roll off some highs) - I really liked the Blue. The cab it will go into will be less "live" than the one I heard those two through (they were in a hardwood walnut cab, this will be in a tolexed Peavey SX112 cab)
 

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Yep, like Mike said or a Greenback or (my fav) G1265. I like a speaker that will "round" off the top end a bit, and I really like a less efficient speaker for this type of amp
 

JZG

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I think something like a high-powered Scumback or the Emi Wizard would sound really good with that type of amp.
 

doc

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I'd be afraid I'd blow the M55 as its rated for 30 watts. How about the M75HP? Thanks for the suggestion - I'd read lots of good about these but had assumed they were very expensive.
 

big mike

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I'd be afraid I'd blow the M55 as its rated for 30 watts. How about the M75HP? Thanks for the suggestion - I'd read lots of good about these but had assumed they were very expensive.

You can get any of the scumbacks in a 65 watt version.

For me, they're not expensive. Especially when you add up all the used celestions and eminence I bought trying to get 'a little bit better'.
 

doc

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Oh - I just went to a different page and it appears he has a 65 watt M55 available.:jo
 

doc

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Everybody agree the Scumback is the ticket? Why the M55 instead of the H55? Any other thoughts?
 

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Which Trainwreck?
The Liverpool and the Rocket are different from each other and from the others??
Ken told me once that his favourite cab for the EL84 amps were the Vox extension 2x12's with the original Celestion Alnicos.

Best, Pete.
 

big mike

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My thought on the M55 is the warm smooth mids, and it will attenuate the harsh highs they can have. The H is more scooped and jangly. but the H55 might be good too. Depends on how much mids you like in your tone. Open or closed back cab?
 

doc

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I like it kinda middy. The cab will usually be closed, but can be "half-open" if desired.
 

Scumback Speakers

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TrainWreck with M75 clips here: http://southbayampworks.com/m75/

They'll be the ones with Trainwrecklp or Trainwreckstrat in the file names.

These were done for me by Glenn Kuykendall (aka geetarpicker) with his 59 Les Paul Burst and Callaham Strat. The cabinet was an early 70 straight with M75's loaded in it. The Wreck was his 89 Express (dual EL 34).
 

doc

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Thanks Jim. Have you ever heard a TW type amp through your Scumnicos? I notice you have those with 60 and 100 watt ratings as well - I'd be tempted to go with a 100 watter to make sure I don't blow it. As per previous posts though, it appears many feel your M55 might be the magic combo. I'd be interested in your thoughts.
 

doc

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Another one I think I need to put on the list for consideration is the Tone Tubby Alnico 12. I really like some of what I heard with the Cannabis Rex and with the Celestion Blue; maybe if I combine both the hemp with the alnico I'll be knocked out. The only concern is the 40 watt rating of that speaker - my Express clone supposedly puts out 35 watts from 2 EL34s. I'd like a bit more room for error, but this wouldn't end up being my regular gig rig, so I'd say it would probably work okay. I guess if I'm adventurous enough to try it through my Blues with an attenuator I should be adventurous enough to try it.
 

doc

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Starting to feel like I'm talking to myself, but what the heck. Just noticed that the Red Fang appears to have a new, higher power rating of 50 watts - if true that could be a contender as well.
 




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