Best 5e3 Tweed Deluxe Upgrades?

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Which Is The Best 5e3 Tweed Deluxe Upgrade Option?

  1. NOS Tubes

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  2. Speaker

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  1. Abandoned

    Abandoned Tweed Tube Tone Purist Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    I've got a great 5e3 Tweed Deluxe, Victoria 20112. It's doesn't NEED upgrading but if I wanted to/felt like it anyway what should I choose?

    1.) NOS tubes
    2.) Speaker (comes stock with an Eminence 1258 which was specially selected and designed to sound like a Celestion Blue, so if I upgrade I'd do a Jensen P12Q type/variant.
    3.) 2x12 Tweed Cab (purpose: bigger, wider sound.)
     
  2. Humble Texan Fan

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    The speaker is obviously going to have the largest impact, being the last filter in your chain. And this amp being known to be picky in this department I'd call this a prerequisite, really. The right speaker often allows you to fine tune other bits, like valves, left and right. Then you may explore the option of widening your sound w. a larger or different cab.
     
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    Abandoned Tweed Tube Tone Purist Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    Thanks guys. Can y'all or someone describe to me the difference in tone characteristics between a Celestion Blue and a Jensen P12Q?
     
  4. FFTT

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    A carefully chosen speaker will have the greatest impact.

    Your amp already breaks up just fine by itself and more so with inputs bridged.

    I think a good AlNiCo will bring out the best of your amp if you can hit it with decent volume and power.

    For low volume and with heavy OD pedals, there you may want to stick with a tight crisp detailed ceramic.

    Never have been a fan of typical Jensen loose muddy breakup.
     
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    Abandoned Tweed Tube Tone Purist Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    ^ cool. Thanks!

    Isn't the Jensen an alnico?
     
  6. FFTT

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    Have not heard much good about modern Jensens.

    The vintage originals are sweet at lower volumes, but just don't handle a hard, fast attack well at higher volumes.

    I think a real UK Celestion Blue or Gold
    may be the ticket, or..... a Tone Tubby Red or Fane A-60.
    I'm no help because you have to hear them in your own context.
     
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    Speaker. I like the scumback m65/creamback m/ and the tt 40/40.
     
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    Abandoned Tweed Tube Tone Purist Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    Gotcha. Are the current production Celestion Blue's made in England?

    I also wonder why mix a British tones speaker with a tweed amp?

    Also - if I did the Jensen P12Q type of speaker I'd do a Weber or the Speed Shop version.
     
  9. FFTT

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    A real Celestion Blue is made in UK
    The Vox label Blues are made in China

    Celestion Blue seems to be the upgrade speaker of choice across several Tweed builders outfitting a 5E3
     
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    Yes, celestion blue are a perfect choice:aok
     
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    I went with an Eminence Red Fang, more grit than the Blue on the top end.
     
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    Here on the TGP, there is no such thing as an amp that doesn't need upgrading. ;)

    Seriously, not every change made to an amp is an improvement, and this is true regardless of the expense involved. Sometimes it's best to enjoy an amp just the way it is, and to resist the temptation to fix what isn't broken.
     
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    I have two 1960 Jensen P12Q's. Both sound great. If you want a "true" to the era sound get one of those OR just get the A12Q from the Speed Shop. I have that too. Blindfold me and I could maybe never tell it from the real ones. Other than this speaker I've tried 8? others. This is where I settled

    A12Q Get it and be done
     
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    Don't you already have volumes issues? A Blue is LOUD, like 103db. Not sure but I'd put the A12Q at @99db

    Neil
     
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    Celestion Blue has a sensitivity rating of 100 dB SPL.

    He could go to a Celestion Gold if he's going to run the amp good and loud.
     
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    Interesting. I have a Weber 12a150 in my home built that I really like, seems he liked those and had Weber build a custom one for him. I can't imagine one I'd like more than the Weber, so I bet this one sounds good.
    Thanks
     
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    If you want to tame the output volume, go with a lower efficiency small magnet AlNiCo like the Weber 12A125A or other CTS AlNiCo inspired driver.

    If you just want the amp tight and spanky, no flub, try a Fane F-70.
     
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    Weber's 12A125A matches up perfect with a 5E3. Never cared for the Celestion Blue with tweed amps.
     
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