Best locking machine heads?

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  1. El Kabong

    El Kabong Member

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    Which do you prefer and why? I bought the top of the line, stupidly expensive, Gotoh HAPM's a couple of years back and they were J-U-N-K. I will need a new set for something coming down the pipe and want it done right the first time.
     
  2. ToneKing

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    I like sperzels, never had a problem with them. Schallers I'm sure are good, also.
     
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    I have sperzels also.................. no problems.
     
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    I've used Sperzels and like their feel and accuracy, but they're a little heavy and can make a well-balanced guitar into a neck-heavy one. Plus I've known one or two people who have lost the string retainer pin trying to change strings in a dark club (for once not me).

    The Schallers are very nice. They don't have quite the positive feel of the Sperzels, but they're a lot smaller and lighter, and I'd say just as accurate.

    I don't really think you can go wrong with either, though.
     
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    I'm surprised; can you tell us your experience with the HAPM's?
     
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    I like the Planet Waves with the auto-trim feature.

    Lightweight and easy to use.
     
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    Grover makes a set with a lifetime guarantee for around $50.
     
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    I have Grovers on my Chafin's and they are great.
    I have Sperzels on everything else also great.
    The Sperzels are easier to string,but they both work well.
     
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    Sperzels, though I have to get them bored out a bit to handle the heavier string guages that I use.
     
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    Sperzel mini locking tuners!
     
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    I was going to use the Fender Schaller locking tuners for an old Strat I got but nobody has them in stock and they aren't expected for months. Ordered the Sperzels.
     
  12. El Kabong

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    Thanks for the responses. Mini Sperzels? Got a link DB, they might be the ticket, as full size versions are not what I'm after? I can't finds them.

    The Planet Waves look very interesting as well, thanks. After having a locking cam design, I believe the locking thumb screw is the way to go.

    Marcel, the HAPM's in Japan when they first were introduced, were about $140!! The cam posts can fall out easily when restringing. These tiny pieces are also made of very soft metal and are easily damaged during restringing. As the machine heads are staggered, the ad copy claims that you don't need a string tree. On a standard Fender headstock, that simply is not true. The gear ratio or mechanism is also so smooth that they don't feel like they have any tension on them. The feel is very different than a traditional design.
     
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    I like the new, open-back Sperzels. The ones Jim Soloway uses on his Swan guitars. Very cool~ because there's no extra locking mechanicals to stick, break, etc. It uses 3 simple friction points to lock the string.
    gregc
     
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    Is this the method used by the Grovers? Did you have these problems with Grover locking tuners?
     
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    Bluewail Tone curmudgeon Silver Supporting Member

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    I find the weight to be a factor. For Fender style axes I like the locking Gotoh Kluson-style tuners. Lightweight and work great. Grosh uses them and that's god enough for me.
     
  16. El Kabong

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    I have never tried the Grovers, but the design does look to be like Gotoh's.

    Greg, the ones you are talking about have my interest. Too bad all the info on like I have found is gor the Trim-Lok series.
     
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    Paul at specialty guitars.com carries the "Toneloks" . I suppose identical to the Soloway install in this thread except the Toneloks have a hole in the back for the string to come thru but I don't see one on Jim's version . :confused: That particular guitar may have non-locking ??

    mac , the posts on the regular sized Grover lockers are 1/4 " taller than regular FWIW . Mini locking G's are regular height . Grovers use a "post inside a hollow post" setup , no screws or xtras and work fine , just tall .
     
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    It's just an old picture that was taken before the Tonelocks were widely available. We switched not long after.
     
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    Thanks Jim , I was wondering if there were 2 versions is all . The add-on small buttons (Ivoroid/whatever) are near weightless (comparatively) , and the tulip-shaped are light to begin with . I think I remember Ron Thorn uses em too , or was unless he switched .
     

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