Sure spend, $1400 on a mic pre when you don't even have a mic yet.Originally posted by bjm007
Yeah, I agree and I get your point, but he didn't say he was on a budget... I've got a small project studio with a Great River, an old Neve, a Vintech, a Wunder, a old Joemeek and some RNP's and yes, I can hear a difference in a mic'd guitar cabinet with the higher end pre's.Originally posted by MichaelK
Sure spend, $1400 on a mic pre when you don't even have a mic yet.
My advice: you might not even need a preamp. It's only electric guitar; you're talking about a very narrow frequency range and you'll never hear your money's worth on an expensive preamp. Depending on what audio interface you end up with and what mic you use (mine cost $85), the built-in mic pres might be more than sufficient.
If you really insist on an outboard pre, the RNP would be the best use of your money IMO.
You guys slay me. Spend 5000+ on a guitar amp but running a 57 through a decent mic pre isn't gonna improve anything...Originally posted by LSchefman
I completely agree with Michael.
Electric guitar is all you're recording?
"Gee, I get so much more delicacy out of my Shure57 when I run it into my Gloriosky Maximum mic preamp. I hear so many more of the overtones, and it just sits in the track so much better."
It is nice to have a wonderful mic preamp for certain things, and if you already have an excellent vocal mic, you can get a little more with it when matched to a great preamp.
The only reason I can see to use anything other than a stock preamp for most electric guitar is if it's breaking up because it can't handle the level very well.
I would rather run a 57 and/or 609 into a Neve, Telefunken or RCA pre than use a R121...Originally posted by loudboy
Get a Royer R-121 or a Coles 4038 ribbon mic and then use whatever pre you've got.
Put your money into the mic - it's the most important part of the recording chain.
Thank me later.
Why not? You're saying a $1500 mic won't be any improvement over an $85 mic on that same amp.Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
You guys slay me. Spend 5000+ on a guitar amp but running a 57 through a decent mic pre isn't gonna improve anything...
FWIW to me the 1500 mic is no improvement. I have a few dynamics I know what to do with and I havet to find an expensive mic that works better for my needs.Originally posted by MichaelK
Why not? You're saying a $1500 mic won't be any improvement over an $85 mic on that same amp.
Speaking for myself, I never said it wouldn't be an improvement. I said it "might not" be necessary, which is very different.
IMHO for most people recording electric guitar in their home studios an expensive mic pre is a complete waste of money, because 90% of them don't even have tone good enough to be flattered by a great preamp. Of those who do have great tone, 90% don't mic it properly. Of those who do have good tone and mic it properly, 90% can't play worth a sh*t. Of those who have tone, mic it properly and can play OK, 90% of them don't have songs worth a damn. Of those who have tone, mic it properly, can play and have good songs... well, they still have my attention whether they use a great preamp or not!
Seriously: I don't feel the preamp is an unimportant component of the chain; I feel it's an overrated and misunderstood component. Mic pres are a big push in the "prosumer" market because they fall in a price point that is expensive yet affordable for many people, and unlike compressors, EQs and high-end mics they don't require even minimal expertise or experience to operate. Many people incorrectly see them as a "quick fix" to get instant professional sound.
I was not disputing that; I was using your statement to point out that money doesn't always buy an improvement.Originally posted by Ed DeGenaro
FWIW to me the 1500 mic is no improvement.
There ya go. That's it.Originally posted by Paul Secondino
If you have the money, and recording technique, you can increase the tonefulness and detail of your guitar tracks with a good mic pre.
However, buying a sweet mic pre is not wise if you are a novice recording engineer.In that case, one would be better off developing better micing,playing, and mixing technique than buying new gear.