"Beware of Mr. Baker"

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  1. SnidelyWhiplash

    SnidelyWhiplash Member

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    I would rather hear Bonham any day of the week than GB.
     
  2. Trevordog

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    GB didn't really put down Bonham. He said Bonham "had good technique, but he couldn't swing a sack of ****."
    Bonham wasn't a jazz drummer, what did he expect?
    When the director asked him if he played with Mick Jagger, he mimicked the director saying:
    "Ooh, did you play with Mick Jagger?"
    He then described the experience thusly:
    "This little effeminate-looking kid came up, and tried to sing one number.
    I said to Jack (Bruce), who is this stupid looking little c-nt?
    What's he doing here?
    Jack and I threw some jazz things in there- completely threw him off!
    He was terrified of me!" (chuckles).
     
  3. jwny72

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    I just finished watching the doc on Netflix. I thought it was an excellent documentary. Very moving. I admire how it showed the good and the bad. GB is a truly tragic figure, who has created a lot of wreckage. I pity his family. His addictions (and the hopeless narcissism that underly addiction) have reduced him to a bitter husk. I think Clapton's ongoing relationship with Baker is something Clapton does as part of an ongoing attempt to "12th step" Ginger.
     
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    Baker, for me, is THE drummer of that rock era. I love his drumming.

    I tell this story a lot, but I heard from some people who worked at the Channel in Boston when he turned up there during his stint in Masters Of Reality. They all pretty much agreed that he was a first class 8 cylinder bastard but it was utter magic when we sat down to play the drums.

    I think that sums him up well. I dug the film, but it was hard to walk away liking him as a person.


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    I'm sure Ginger hates both of them for some reason hahaha

    God bless the old guy though hope he finds some peace before he passes.


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    Here he is being interview by Chad Smith for Music Radar

     
  7. Flogger59

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    How uncomfortable is that?
     
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    Very.
     
  9. mark norwine

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    I love GB, but that was as close to unwatchable as I can imagine.

    I feel like watching it again to count the cigarettes smoked! Wow!
     
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    I think GB plays up his bitter, hateful, spiteful personality.
     
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    Yeah, all of those! And Eric is quite right.
     
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    He said, "Pffft...he was nothing like those players, his musical capabilities are full spectrum. He can write, compose and arrange, he has an ear and is harmonic..."

    Ginger said," The general public is so f***in dumb, you know like if anyone could think that Bonham is anywhere near the kind of drummer that I am is just extraordinary. Bonham had technique but he couldn't swing like a sack of sh*t, or Moonie for that matter. If they were still alive today, ask them". ;)
     
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    rollyfoster Silver Supporting Member

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    interesting how he said Clapton is his best friend.

    cut to clapton...

    "I hardly ever speak to him" or something to that effect. Interesting relationship.
     
  14. SGNick

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    Today I learned... Ginger Baker is Ron Swanson

     
  15. Trevordog

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    I think Clapton helps him out monetarily.
    GB is bitter about JB and PB getting all the royalties from Cream.
    He lumps EC with him in his misery, but I don't think EC cares about it as much.:munch
    The three of them still have a bond, even with GB's nasty remarks about JB.
    JB's last quote about GB is "I love GB".
    I'm looking forward to reading JB's bio.
     
  16. mike shaw

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    I wonder if some of the animosity between GB and JB is due to them both trying to be the 'alpha male'. I think both wanted to 'control' Cream. EC, the 'chosen one' by Ahmet Ertegun, seemed to be more passive-aggressive, while the other two were very upfront about it.
     
  17. Trevordog

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    Yeah, and Clapton didn't help matters much when he said in an interview a few years back that Cream was basically JB's band.
    i still can't get over the fact that when we were trying to cover I'm So Glad, Toad, Crossroads, SOYL and SOTOTW, Bruce and Baker had already had careers as jazz junkies.
    When we crossed over into jazz after that, our drummer had a hard time going from GB to Max Roach, while GB could effortlessly go from one idiom to another.
     

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