Big rock artists lip-synching question

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  1. MikeVB

    MikeVB Supporting Member

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    While flipping through channels last night I caught some of Guns'n'Roses live at O2 concert on Palladia last night. Something weird was going on with Axl's vocals watching him. I knew he was lip-synching on at least some of the songs, but there was some other vocal audio that sounded like him in a different register going as well.

    I've read here that other classic rockers like ZZ Top are using "prerecorded vocals" as well these days.

    When these big guys are lip-synching live concerts do they also sing along live with the tracks? Obviously their mics are hot between songs for banter.

    Do they ever also just play entire "pre-recorded" musical performances as well? I don't mean acts like U2 that have long used prerecorded parts.

    Watching GnR do Knocking On Heaven's Door last night and seeing Izzy Stradlin's facial expressions and watching guy's hands made me think the whole damn song was a track playing. Otherwise it seems like there's too much chance for disaster.
     
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    Its time to quit when you have to lip sync Knockin' On Heaven's Door or have pre-recorded tracks for it. I'm not sure how a slow, 3-chord song (depending on if you only use C and not Am) could be a disaster for professionals.
     
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    It may not be lip-synching as much as it is "over dubbing" for the TV version. Without seeing the clip, I don't know for sure.

    I've seen the same Megadeth show (maybe from Sophia). One was clearly containing re-recorded vocals. The other was the raw audio.
     
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    Saw this the other day, to my surprise that it's lip synched to the album version. That, early in their time, thought it was pretty sad.

     
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    Not fair to Jimi, television often used the recorded version for these kind of shows-less chance for the artists to say or do something that got them kicked off the air, I guess.
     
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    That and I don't think they had the technology to do it properly the way they do now. Very few early TV performances were actually live. A lot of them didn't even have instruments plugged in.
     
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    come on folks .... It's the 'Entertainment' industry first and foremost.
    Backing tracks, samples, offstage players and singers etc...are used
    To keep the paying public happy...sometimes to keep the band happy....
    And sometimes (less than people want to think) replace inadequate talent.

    Bands like ZZ Top have been using samples and tracks since the 80's ...and
    Have been using supplemental vocal tracks to support them on 6 month tours.
    The Stones have been using vocal support since the late 80's.......
    on The Steel Wheels tour Mick Jagger sounded like a 30 year old most nights...there was a reason.
     
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    I wasn't doggin' Jimi. He nor his band looked too happy about it. Maybe I misunderstood the point of this thread, as I didn't think motive was part of it. Jimi was already in the net and had to do what he had to do to keep doing what he wanted to do, which I don't think included faking live performances.

    The many edits to cover the more obvious out of synch footage made it all the more pathetic.
     
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    Yup. It's called money. I don't think that's always the artist's priority, and I can't imagine artists like Jimi liked it; the guy who sang, "You'll never hear surf music again"; and, no, I'm not doggin' the Beach Boys or Dick Dale etc, but Jimi dogged the entire commercialism machine from the beginning, and I think to the end. That, to me, is what makes that vid sad.

    Now Jagger, that's a different act entirely. Made of a different cloth.
     
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    There are loads of real live Hendrix TV performances on tape though.

    last night I watched 2 Doors DVDs that I just bought on sale.

    It was pathetic seeing them do so many lip synched TV performances. I know at that time it was the standard, but almost everything on that DVD was synched. Those 3 guys really milked that cow dry too. I mean how many times can you re-use the same footage?

    There are some fantastic Hendrix TV clips. The Burning of the midnight lamp is one I remember off hand.
     
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    It was and still is the nature of the biz, and even the most pure artists get sucked into it, knowingly or unknowingly. What I did have to grin at were the knowing glances between Jimi and Noel, and even the occasional smirk on Mitch's face, seemed tongue-in-cheek, as though saying, 'yeah, okay, you believe this?' It would have made a great parody for Frank Zappa. Then, I guess all his songs were in one form or another. Still, them being friends 'n all, I wonder what he would have said about that "performance?"

    Not sure but I think that was done on Dutch TV.
     
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    well, if anyone remembers the show "american bandstand" on saturday mornings.....

    remember the big ta-do when jessica simpson's sister had the lip-sync mess up on SNL....then the next week U2 performed....live....remember bono making it quite known they were performing live...

    i suppose it all comes back to the old saying: is it live or is it memorex????

    it is entertainment....are you not entertained????
     
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    My original question was about bands using prerecorded vocals (and maybe other things) for live concerts.

    I wasn't really talking about tv appearances.

    The GnR O2 concert just happened to be on tv last night, but it wasn't made for tv primarily I assume...maybe DVD though. It was quite obvious Axl was faking the hell outta some high, loud parts of KOHD to me.

    I also last night happened to watch some of Styx's performance of The Grand Illusion/Pieces of Eight. I'm not a fan really, but they were really damn tight if it was all live. However, no way in hell guys that age were pulling off that highest tenor part of Renegade without some kind of electronic wizardry aid. It didn't look like anyone was faking, but there was a part or two above where any 50+ year old man could realistically hit.
     
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    Most of the "live" concerts you see on AXS or the like do not feature the vocals that were actually heard at the audience that night.

    I saw the Styx thing and it was way, way too perfect. No one sounds like that live--no one.

    Don Felder's concert was an absolute embarassment of tracks, auto-tune and re-recording vocals later. Horrible.
     
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    I also saw part of the GnR O2 show on Palladia last night, and my impression was the audio and video weren't entirely sync'ed up, which happens on digital cable from time to time.

    There's also the distinct possibility that backing tracks and overdubs were employed.
     
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    If Axl would lip sync to the voice of someone who can actually sing I'd be on board with that.
     
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    Where's the Like button when you actually need it?
     
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    Pretty funny considering that Styx was at the forefront of using
    backing tracks live, hidden musician's, and later on live sample replacement.

    There hasn't been but maybe 2 live records ever released in Rock and Roll - and
    that includes Mr Frampton's epic - Thin Lizzy's incredible documented concert -
    and of course the latest 'Celebration Day' from the master of replacement Jimmy Page.
     
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    Anytime music goes on TV, you have lip synching and playing along to pre-recorded tracks. The Red Hot Chili Peppers were up front about miming when they played the Superbowl with Bruno Mars; that was just the nature of the beast.

    I'd say this is the funniest TV appearance I've ever seen:



    In live concerts, you've had bands playing along to tapes/hard disk recordings since the 1970's. And don't get me started on the many "live" recordings of the 1970's; those were all overdubbed to Hades and back.

    I wouldn't be surprised to find out that most major/veteran acts are miming onstage. Celine Dion got sued by a former drummer who alleged he was forced to play along to pre-recorded vocal tracks.
     

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