Black Friday / Cyber Monday - inadvertently opted out

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I have been watching the sales / deals,
for weeks now - and all through the weekend.

I even got up extra early today, to check for the Cyber Monday deals.

I saw some great stuff / great prices.

But I could not decide what I wanted / how bad I wanted it.
So...I ended up not buying anything.

That is out of character for me.

Anyone else in the same boat ?
 

PurpleJesus

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I could be wrong. But it seems like the stores are offering more sales through the year now. Like I saw a bunch of Easter, Memorial Day, 4th of July, etc... and they all seem to have similar 15-25% sales. So the BF and Cyber Monday sales just seem watered down now and a way to get rid of older product. Which is fine. But 5 years ago Sweetwater was doing $299 BF deals on PRS SE models. Don’t see stuff like that anymore
 

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Prices were low enough to buy what you were looking for, but not low enough to buy stuff you weren’t looking for.

Manufacturers know that if they sell stuff too cheap they’ll be competing against the same products in the used market and it’ll hurt their bottom line twice.

Heavily discounted products are usually the models that have a new improved version coming out or models/products that didn’t sell well to begin with.
 

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I bought a few pedals that I couldn't pass up (DOD 440 @$40, Polara @ $80) but I have't seen anything truly compelling like the great Gibson Midtown blowout a few years ago...
 
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I could be wrong. But it seems like the stores are offering more sales through the year now.
I was just saying that this morning - it's so easy to find a deal, pretty much anytime,
that the whole Black Friday / Cyber Monday thing, just seems anti-climatic now.

Prices were low enough to buy what you were looking for, but not low enough to buy stuff you weren’t looking for.
That is just what I was thinking.
A few good deals, if you REALLY wanted/needed something - But I don't.
 

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Cyber Mon is now cyber week. Ugh. 15-20% off isn't **** when most everyone has to pay taxes on that now, but retailers are acting like that didn't just happen to everyone.
While I completely agree that 15% is not nearly as attractive when you have to pay 7% sales tax on top of it, I don't blame the retailer. To be fair, it is not the retailers fault or duty to recognize or compensate for taxes

I've found that having to pay taxes now has severely limited my impulse purchases (the tax change in my state just happened in October).
Absolutely has for me too. My local shop is in a UEV zone with lower sales tax to attract shoppers (3.5%) so at least 15% discount there is still worth driving in. Plus, they are great folks and I like to support them. But yeah... I'd love to know how enforcing state sales tax has impacted internet sales because it definitely makes me second guess buying at all.
 

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While I completely agree that 15% is not nearly as attractive when you have to pay 7% sales tax on top of it, I don't blame the retailer. To be fair, it is not the retailers fault or duty to recognize or compensate for taxes
Of course it's their responsibility, they are the retailer. 7% sales tax is not the norm, a lot of us pay near 9% or more. It's not solely the responsibility of the buyer to carry that burden. And, just as it has effected my purchase decisions, it has effected my sale price decisions (along with everybody else). If they want the sales, their bottom line needs to change because the market has been changed.

They cannot expect to get last years prices with this years new taxes. Thinking a retailer is above the buying market (us) is kind of a bootlicker stance, no offense intended.
 

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Of course it's their responsibility, they are the retailer. 7% sales tax is not the norm, a lot of us pay near 9% or more. It's not solely the responsibility of the buyer to carry that burden. And, just as it has effected my purchase decisions, it has effected my sale price decisions (along with everybody else). If they want the sales, their bottom line needs to change because the market has been changed.

They cannot expect to get last years prices with this years new taxes. Thinking a retailer is above the buying market (us) is kind of a bootlicker stance, no offense intended.
WTF?
 

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Pretty much in the same boat. There is nothing I really "need" and only a few things I kinda "want". I think I'll just hold onto my money this time instead.
 

lefort_1

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Of course it's their responsibility, they are the retailer. 7% sales tax is not the norm, a lot of us pay near 9% or more. It's not solely the responsibility of the buyer to carry that burden. And, just as it has effected my purchase decisions, it has effected my sale price decisions (along with everybody else). If they want the sales, their bottom line needs to change because the market has been changed.

They cannot expect to get last years prices with this years new taxes. Thinking a retailer is above the buying market (us) is kind of a bootlicker stance, no offense intended.
The last-years/pre-tax prices were pre-you-should-pay-your-state's-sales-tax.
The taxes are not new, right ?. It's just they are finally being collected.
IMO, you should pay the sales tax for the state you reside in, and that's pretty much that... if you don't like your state's sales tax, get your state to drop it (HAH!) or move to a non-sales tax state.
IF the online seller varied their price based on each individual buyer's sales tax 'burden', then price would vary all over the place as sales tax rates vary from state to state.

Not sure what part of 'pay your tax' you don't get.
The situation we had before was unfair to the states, as internet sales weren't being taxed (if a sales tax existed for the buyer's state).
Thank goodness that glaring loophole has been closed (by and large).
 

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Tax-rant aside, I just noticed that Mr. Black's inventory suddenly brought his Black Fuzz back from the Sold Out category.
(I swear it was sold out yesterday)
So, I just applied the 30% off and got it for a sweet 105$USD

Ah, luxurious DarlingClips shall be mine.
 
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That is why I don't buy from the US anymore.

I used to , pretty often.

But the last pedal I bought (from the US) was
$150 US for a Seymour Duncan Catalina Chorus (used - like new)
+ $35 shipping
+ exchange rate ( add another $62)
+ plus $10 border "handling fee
+ plus 15% sales tax, on the Canadian side of the border (add $30)

That $150 USD "bargain" ended up costing me $287 Cdn

"That's the last time I do that..." I thought
 

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In my case, there wasn't anything at the any of the stores that got my attention or that I felt was worth checking out.

Instead of shopping, I did pick up a used, mint condition Way Huge Fat Sandwich (gold version) that I've had my eye on from a local seller.
 

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Of course it's their responsibility, they are the retailer. 7% sales tax is not the norm, a lot of us pay near 9% or more. It's not solely the responsibility of the buyer to carry that burden. And, just as it has effected my purchase decisions, it has effected my sale price decisions (along with everybody else). If they want the sales, their bottom line needs to change because the market has been changed.

They cannot expect to get last years prices with this years new taxes. Thinking a retailer is above the buying market (us) is kind of a bootlicker stance, no offense intended.
No. Sorry, but that is wrong. In most states the sales tax law is actually written in language that defines it as the buyers responsibility and the retailer is only responsible for collecting it.

The retailer sets their price based on the cost of goods and operation costs. If government mandated sales tax changes, it is not their responsibility to compensate for that in the retail price. That is just ludicrous.

Will it impact your decision to purchase. Absolutely. Because it is your burden. However, any discount they offer or negotiate is based on their cost of goods and cost to operate and stay in business and not sales tax. It's not their responsibility to alleviate your tax burden.
 




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