Blues, continued

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  1. JonR

    JonR Member

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    I was planning on contributing some music to the previous "Subtle Sounds" blues thread, but now I find it's closed.

    Clifford had challenged me to step up and contribute some playing, so (somewhat late) here it is::
    http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12226482
    - I make no claims for this regarding the debate on microtones. But readers may feel free to use this as evidence of my playing ability (for good or bad :)), when considering my theory advice... ;)
    (Just to be clear, I'm about 80% happy with it myself, and wince at some bits.)
     
  2. abergdahl

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    JonR,

    I really like this you said in the closed thread:
    The same thinking can be found in Pirsigs books (Zen and the art of motorcycle maintenance, Lila) as well as in the thought of William James and John Dewey.. Pirsig attrubutes some of the attitude on native American culture meting stale European culture. The mix becomes progressive..
    From that I have taken a perceptive attitude as something i try to live by.. don't judge what you hear and see based on passed habits.. Try to stay open to the Experience.. ART as EXPERIENCE (- A great book by John Dewey)

    The very negative thing is that there are persons who feel we should treat blues music like we did with European music, conserve it and make it into museum music..
    I feel that we should be inspired be all music, understand the roots and its tradition but expand and it.. fuse it with new stuff..
    I did a wierd experiment a while ago.. i set up my Elektron Octatrack to resample it self an then replay that sample i a 12 bar blues progression..
    Listen at your own risk..
    [SOUNDCLOUD]http://soundcloud.com/anders-bergdahl/friday-thirteen-blues[/SOUNDCLOUD]
    (some blues licks in there bur more of wild experimentation.. I had fun :) )
     
  3. sharpshooter

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    JonR,, I'am sorry, if my post, the last one,in the other thread, got it locked.
    Anyway,I listened, and liked, the sound-clip you posted above.
     
  4. skronker

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    funny, when I was a young metal head I thought blues was easy

    well later in life I had the seat in a blues band that was a house band, backed up a lot of different players

    What I learned about the blues was that it is all about the emotion and intent of what you play
    I've hung on one note which made a lot of impact and I've played as fast as I could for a different impact
    And it was all considered blues...

    We Got Robert Johnson, Gary Moore. Two different players, different backgrounds, both played the blues.
    The rest is personal preference.
     
  5. dcarroll

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    Maybe we could refrain from continuing these blues threads for a little bit, might make the forum more fun for all.

    the last one was a disaster, too much ego involved. Seems like potential for this one to continue in that manner.

    A suggestion

    Cheers
     
  6. vhollund

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    I actually liked the last comment of Sharpshooter in that thread enougth for riping a backing track from Youtube and trying to make my Guitar sound like a Cat with the build in software amp in Logic. (Cant use my amp it's late en EU)


    Blues is a simulation of a Siamese Cat
    I challenge anyone to prove him wrong on that
    Here is my take :

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1243874/MP3/Siamese Cat slide .mp3


    I would like to add that the last part that sounds like a redneck , who had too much to drink, talking, is a shot from the hip at using as many notes from the chromatic scale as possible (benson video).

    The slide part became nice though and that's how i goes for now
    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1243874/MP3/Siamese Cat.mp3

    I hope that though not beeing a blues player per say, my contributions to making this a place with a better quality of shared knowledge, will still be accepted. :)
     
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  7. Gigbag

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    After listening to your slow blues playing, I find it to be of sufficient quality to suggest that you be allowed to contribute to theoretical discussions regarding the blues. Carry on. :)

    Nice playing, not that you had to prove anything to contribute.
     
  8. Gigbag

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    The world has come to a strange place if we can't discuss the blues on TGP. :omg How about people contribute what they wish to within the forum rules, and everybody try to be civil and thicken up their respective skins a bit.

    I don't see how different theories, preferences, and labels about a genre of music has to be a source of angst for anyone, or how one interpretation of what blues is harms another. Those who want to preserve blues as of some fixed point in time and style may continue to do so unharmed by those who take it in another direction. If this is not possible, Jimi Hendrix (and others) already killed blues years ago.
     
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    I don't keep up with most of the goings on here but I came in and listened to the clip and I really liked your playing sir. well done, some really tasty licks in there.
     
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    Yeah- excellent playing... although (selfishly) I was hoping for a point where you stomp on a pedal and go off!! lol
     
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    Nice clips guys!

    I'm kind of bummed that the last thread was closed but I understand why. Oh well...I would say this, if the conversation is going to be about the roots of Blues, I'd suggest letting people learn that on their own. Maybe we keep it to modern blues. There are plenty of variations on it at this point.

    So how about this, I suggest posting a clip of playing (either your own or someone you like and/or respect) that you feel accurately represents the blues in ways that you can relate to it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1gDhR1R3S0s

    I love Duane's solo. Starts around 3:36. He used a lot of the semi-tones we talked about in the previous two threads.
     
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    Nice playing JonR! :aok
     
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    This is some great playing, ending up in some sort of A blues:


    This is a great example of something that i feel get back to the roots of blues music.. in might be called jazz..modern elements, some European and Arabic sounding part.. some of those between notes, great feel, quite amazing actually:
     
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    Some 21th century blues..

    Not only 12tet here.. jazz getting to Norway meeting with north Africa..

    And:


    can we hear the connection..
     
  15. JonR

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    I can get into your blues playing, soulful and vocal, very, very vocal.
    and so many of these tones we discuss, perhaps these playing examples
    are better than words.
    BTW, the challenge was to have the guts to post, I did , and you certainly did.
    Now I want to record my version to JonR. lol

    Also, what did you record with ,gear, and the reverb, what was it? Beautiful.
    Perfect for that style.
     
  17. Clifford-D

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    Hey Jon

    All these years and we are probably more like minded in blues than we are divided
    I think we might sound nice together and if you lived around here I'd come calling.

    I recorded this inspired by your sweet playing so I played with my fingers
    thought "how does T-Bone sound like?"

    So, mistakes and all, 3:27 that one f/u arrgh!

    Blues for JonR
    http://www.reverbnation.com/play_now/song_12246423
     
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  18. JonR

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    Thanks.
    I used my 60s Epi Casino through a Zoom G7.1ut, which plugs into the computer via USB.
    I struggle to get a good tone with the Zoom, but it's too much hassle to get out my Blues Junior and mic it up. (and it was a little late at night when I recorded it...).
    The Zoom does have a tube in it (the only reason I bought it), but it doesn't improve the sound that much. The distortion sounds on it are almost uniformly crap. (IMO there is no such thing as a good distortion sound on a digital FX unit. I've certainly never found one.) I chose the "HW clean" pre-amp setting, with a little hall reverb - and I actually added more reverb after recording (Audacity, with its Freeverb plugin on a default setting). I also added some compression after recording - I like to have variation in dynamic level, but there was a little too much! (some of my softer notes were just disappearing.)
    The Casino sounds a whole lot better live through a proper tube amp - it sings! (And even the Blues Junior is not perfect. Give me an old 60s Selmer, or Vox AC30, any time...)

    It did try a couple of earlier takes using my old Tele Custom, but it was a bit dead. The Tele is a smoother guitar to play - beautiful neck - and its intonation is better, but it doesn't have the character of the Epi.

    I kind of agree with Sigmund Floyd's comment about waiting for me to stomp on the distortion! Of course I was in that mellow mood all the way, but listening back it could do with some more grit half way through. Too polite.

    (Did you spot the quote at beginning of 3rd chorus?)
     
  19. Clifford-D

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    Well. ok, the Zoom sounds real nice and it has a nice presence, very 3D.
    And the vibe of your Epi come right on through.

    Getting back to what blues means to us, I want to state again that we have similarities in our playing yet we talk about similar things like 180 to each other.
    There is no doubt that you also hear these microbends that you say you don't hear.
    I heard you milking more than one for the effect of it being one of those offset from the fret tones. It sounds nice, reminded me immediately of T-Bone.
    And the quote? T-Bone again "Stormy Monday" is my guess.

    I will forever think differently about what you mean when you talk about the microtonal world of the blues.
    Now, the "I don't hear it" thing you always say,,,,, you do hear it, I hear you hearing it
    and at one point you're stressing the bend making a big point about it being that blues tease we always talk/debate about.

    On paper our words don't agree it seems, but in the recorded world I quickly get where you're coming from and totally agree. What this means is in the future when we're in some hot debate I'm going to throw your recording back at you, lol.

    Maybe it's TRUE what people told Frank "shut up and play your guitar". lol but true?

    I've never heard you play electric blues guitar before this Jon, and as one poster said
    I'd like to hear you with some umph behind the tone - as well. But what you did was fine in a style like T-Bone.
    I myself have a harder time reeling in my "styles", one second I could be T-Bone and the next, Nels Cline (in my dreams lol),, however in my little Blues for JonR I kept it more focused on the style of the style you shared.

    In the end those theories don't mean a thing 'cause we're just "playing" and when I'm playing I don't think, I feel.
     
  20. sfarnell

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    JonR, you are one of the biggest reasons I keep coming back to TGP. I have subscribed to many of the Playing and Technique threads to which you've contributed. Turns out I like your playing more than your posts. Well done sir.

    Cliff, I loved your original thread and think about it a lot when I'm practicing. Thank you too.
     

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