I went in to my local shop to show the owner my Egnater M4. He is a big Orange and Bogner amp guy. He loved the M4. He liked the Vox Mod the best. In his shop he has 2 4X12 cabs. A Bogner and a Mesa, both have the Vintage 30 speakers in them. I am considering getting a 4X12 cabinet to use for live shows. Currently I have an Avatar 2X12 cabinet that I am using but at practice I believe a 4X12 would be much better. We did a side by side comparison and I was shocked. The Bogner had a much warmer sound. It also had a cleaner tone that cut through much better than the Mesa. The only thing the Mesa had going for it was more bottom end but it seemed to sacrifice clarity. I did not want to like the Bogner because it is $1200 out the door. The Mesa was $750. I almost got the Bogner anyway. I have read that there isnt a huge difference by many on this page. Some have even stated that you are paying for the Bogner name. All I can say is that with my Egnater M4 into both cabinets it was not even close. Now I don know how it would compare with the nicer Avatar 4X12 but the Boogie did not hold up. What 4X12 cabs do you use? Oh keep in mind I am a Vin. 30 guy.