Bogner Red alternatives?

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  1. btjguitarman

    btjguitarman Member

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    Title says it- I think the sound in my head is what the Bogner Red does, but I'm finding space at a premium. SO anyone have any ideas of something that gets close to that in a smaller enclosure? since I'll get the question, running a Suhr Classic T through a Greer Lightspeed for low low gain and the Bogner Blue for mid gains into a Suhr Bella. I want something to push me into higher gain territory (not shred zone but sort of modded marshall area). Already tried the Suhr Riot and I think the Reloaded might be an option but I need to spend a bit more time with them. Or I can suck it up and make a Red fit. What else you got TGP?
     
  2. jAcKoFsPeEd

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    JHS @ Timmons or Bogner Burnley.
     
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    I did look for the burnley but couldn't find one when I was out the other day. I'll give the Timmons a look
     
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    The new love pedal purple plexi is FANTASTIC.
     
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    There are undoubtedly plenty of great pedals which will do what you want, but I also find that a pedal like the Lightspeed can stack very well into the Blue to give a really ballsy tone. Specially if you switch to the Blue mode (rather than Plexi) and engage the variac setting. When I use the variac setting, I need to roll the volume and treble up a little, but it does sound much closer to a pedal like the JHS AT due to the added compression.

    The Blue also reacts very well to a fatter boost like a tubescreamer style pedal.
     
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    Yeah I tried that... My blue settings (switches) are variac off, blue mode, b1 pre-eq, and 20th gain structure, and running the gain at about 3. Running the lightspeed into it starts to lose tightness and gets a bit mushier than I'd like.
     
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    I know this is TGP, and believe me if money wasn't an issue I'd just do that, but the GAS isn't serious enough to push this project up towards $500.
     
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    that being said, I think you're probably right when you say I should just buy a Red... and figure out how to make it work
     
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    If your going to stick with the same size, let your head hear the new Bogner La Grange also.
     
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    I've played these two pedals and a Bogner Red. Both the @ and the Burnley sound *much* nicer to me than the Red, and they're conveniently smaller. I mean, they're definitely in the same family -- not worlds different in character -- but the Red seemed very dull in comparison.
     
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    I always put the sound first and notions of my convenience last. Now, it may not end up being the case, but if the sound I need requires me to get a different pedalboard or boot some of the existing pedals on the board, so be it. Nobody said art was easy.
     
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    Echoplexi Silver Supporting Member

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    I've had the blue, red, and burnley. Played the @ Timmons for a half hour in a shop. Burnley is head and shoulders above any of them
     
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    thiscalltoarms more gadgets than Batman. Gold Supporting Member

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    What is it about the Burnley that gives it such a commanding lead?
     
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    Check out the Wampler Triple Wreck.
     
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    thiscalltoarms more gadgets than Batman. Gold Supporting Member

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    Was it be changed substantially recently? I remember it as a midscooped high gain buzz fest in the lineage of the Red channel on a Mesa Rectifier? I am sure the Bogner red is capable of some of those sounds with the gain up and the mids scooped, but I think the spirit here is a mean high gain but tight Marshall style tone. Really, if the blue had 25% more gain and a way to tighten the bass as you enter that last gain level, that'd be perfect...
     
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    Echoplexi Silver Supporting Member

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    I feel that although the burnley has less options available to tweak it is more amp like than any of them. Super easy to get a nice heavy OD/Distortion tone without any fiddling. Maybe the Neve transformer in it is really adding something I dig. Might not work as good if your amp is on the dark and fat side already though.

    I had the blue first, which didn't have as much drive available as I needed. Then got the red but something about it I still never felt inspired playing. The burnley was an instant smile from the first chord. Like a holy **** this is what I've been looking for moment for me. Just huge sounding but still with a tight low end and never gritty or raspy treble. I like it better than the actual bogner amps I've played. I'm using it with a les Paul and vintage marshalls by the way
     
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    I've had them all too and agree with echo. The Burnley has this body and fullness the blue and red didn't have. The blue and red both sounded a little thinner and fizzier to me. I even like the Burnley dialed back a bit on gain for leads sometimes on mellow tracks with a little delay.
     
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    Does the burnley work best with humbuckers or single coils? Sounds like it would work best with a strat. I have a Bogner Red that I like, but I have also been curious about the Burnley and La Grange. GAS is fun, isn't it :)
     
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    With high gain pedals almost in general, if i had to pick I like solos more with a bridge ssl-5 single coil, and chords better with a jb humbucker. It's a feel thing. That goes for the Burnley atleast for me.
     
  20. Echoplexi

    Echoplexi Silver Supporting Member

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    Works well with humbuckers too imo. I use low output paf style though so that may be in my favor too
     

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