Okay this may sound like a silly type of thread, but I seriously want some experienced opinions! I know these 2 amps are different beasts, but the sound I am looking for, these 2 amps pretty much possess. DSL I found a DSL 50 head at a local shop going for $800. I tried it out and was very impressed with both channels. 2 channels and 50 watts would be all I'd need, and the clean on the DSL was a very nice EL34 clean (I was surprised) and the crunch mode was excellent as well. I really did like the lead channel (OD1) despite some people saying they didn't like this channel. SHIVA Okay, here's my dilemma. I am also looking at the Shiva EL34 as well. The cleans are amazing, and the crunch/lead channel is very very nice (w/ & w/o the boost on). My problem is, I've tried out 4 different Shivas & got different results each time. The 1st two I tried sounded amazing in every way and gave me major gas!!! Then I had the opportunity to try out another head and then the 1x12 combo, and tones on channel 2 (for both) sucked a$$? Maybe bad preamp tubes? IDK, but these 2 bad experiences have kept me from buying one for quite awhile. So before I pull the trigger on the DSL, I'm gonna go try the Shiva again. But at $800, I'm really gassin' for the DSL! Please help!!!