Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by john lan, Sep 9, 2016.
Anyone else using Katana head with Boss ms-3 connected with midi cable? I can change preset sending PC command from ms-3. But how can I change certain katana effect on/off using ms-3? Or is it possible at all?
GT1 into the Kat went well at practice. I dragged 4 sneaky amps into the B slots right before practice and even those sounded good generic. I do like the global EQ tweak though. Decided to throw in a different speaker, 16ohm so I can plug in my 1x12 eggie cab for some extra or even my orange 2x12, they are both 16ohm. Had a Mesa black shadow laying around. I'd prefer a V30 but the ones I have on hand are 8ohm. So far so good, band volume test on Thursday. I had always planned on using extra speakers but I haven't needed to yet.
I am using an MS-3 to control my Katana head but......
control thru the 5 pin midi is somewhat limited but has been expanded with the latest firmware update. Currently you can switch to any of your stored 8 presets or panel mode with PC messages. You can also turn on or off Booster/Mod switch, Delay/FX Switch, Reverb Switch and the Send Return Switch with CC messages.
Refer to Katana editor for all the required PC and CC numbers to transmit from your MS-3 to the Katana
If you want total control via MIDI you need something like the MIDX-20 which converts the 5 pin output from your Ms-3 to a USB to input into the Katana USB. With this you can control virtually any Katana parameter including accessing sneaky amps.
hope this helps
Thank you for your reply, Jeff.
I’m pleased to hear you confirming that on/off is possible. Maybe I should study more carefully Katana editor to find out right CC commands.
My first goal is just to be able to turn on/off the effect without any deeper control.
With clean amp model of Katana it is not so exact whether I use only MS-3 effects but when using gainier amp model (crunch, lead, brown) I would rather use some modulation effects, reverb and delay after preamp. And that is where I hope to have a control of Katana's effects. Does that make any sense to you?
I just looked at the Katana editor, go to the system tab then to the midi settings tab.. There you can set the PC and CC numbers to whatever you want, then its just a matter of transmitting the correct PCs and CCs from the MS-3..
You will have to create patch in the MS-3 that transmits the correct messages when that MS-3 patch is selected..
Just got a used, (like new) Katana 100 Combo for $150 for my student's use.
Wow, I'm a bit late to the party as well. But, I didn't read the whole thread.
It doesn't take much effort to use the software and the sneaky amps app either.
Or, update the firmware for that matter....
But, just making 8 presets representing several different amp voicings alone was worth the slight effort.
Very cool for gigs as basis tones, then, as you say, adding pedals from your board for spice.
Guys, a silly, no doubt repeatedly-asked question. Post-Christmas, I'm thinking about picking up a foot switch for use with my Katana 50 watt, with the intent being that I'd use it to switch between presets. What are my best options? I understand (albeit, dimly) that Roland has a couple of ones. I'll happily continue to play and switch, even without a foot switch, but would like to know what my options are. Thanks, and sorry if I'm repeating basic question #49.
Not for the 50 you want the Boss FS7 and a stereo cable 1/4" all three leads I have use it every day works great
Don't be worried about this. The update is great and super easy to do via a USB cable. You will not be sitting around for hours. I found that I liked the direct tone much better and had some great use for the noise gate on the higher gain settings. It took me all of 1.3 minutes to update it. The Boss stuff is super easy to use. Enjoy a great combo and what a deal you got!
I A/B'd the stock clean with the Bright Twin and got them close by dropping the mids to 9:00. Remember... the stock amps are based on Brit EL-34 amps so they have way more mids than fenders.
Boss says for best sound and feel to keep both volumes as high as possible. That said I find the keeping master volume high is much more important for tube amp "feel" than the channel volume. I never want the MV to be below noon and preferably at 3:00 to max.
Boss has been quite clear that the master volume in particular is modeling power amp interaction (aka tube logic) and that there IS a difference with it turned up. I can hear and feel the difference. The amp is more dynamic with the MV cranked.
Thanks for the msg. and for trying to help.
That works too. First and foremost it's a guitar amp then it's a storage facility for many options.
I wouldn't say Boss have been that clear. Jeff did post this shortly after the amp came out, but with respect, the suggestion given rendered the amp useless in many scenarios, gunning the master AND the channel vol and using the gain to set volume? How would you balance across patches.
I was always dubious that Boss would make a mainstream budget (but AMAZING) amp that if you needed to play it at a specific volume for a venue or at home, then certain gain levels, saturation levels and tones in general would be impossible, because you are tied to having your Master Vol cranked in order to attain this mythical tube-emulation that only occurs at Mv levels over 75%.
For me, to simplify, the Chan Volumes are there to balance volumes between patches. Nothing more, and invaluable for gigging.
Power level selects what range the Master works in (quiet, louder, loudest). At 100W the MV is hair trigger and would make setting volumes at home impossible, hence the ability to reduce its operating range with this selector.
Master Vol simply sets the loudness (in decibels).
Any perceived improvement, for me at least, caused by having the master high is simply because by definition, its louder than when the master is low (stating the obvious), pushing more air, providing more detail in the tone through pure loudness. Not emulating a gunned power tube. I tested in detail last year for differences between channel high and master low, versus channel low and master high. Rule of thumb was if the amps overall loudness was higher, it sounded better, regardless of which controls you used to get there.
All that said, I do find differences in tone based on the power selection. But far from setting this low and gunning the master, I find that the Katana 100 performs better at 50W with the Master lower, compared to 0.5W and the Master high!!!
None of that matters at all, and its all totally my opinion in my usage, with my cloth ears. Its the best value, and most used and enjoyed piece of kit I have ever bought, same for most of us, so however we get to our own tone is irrelevant. But I always wince when people are told that they have to effectively ignore one of the key controls on the amp, as having it anything less than a certain level is not the way to tonal nirvana, and they simply must have it high.
Do you have any links to this declaration?
I hear it mentioned quite often but I can't perceive any difference so I run the channel volume high and use the master as, well...the master.
I do use the volume pedal effect after the amp so maybe that matters too?
Got a Katana 50 this week, the update and sneaky amps install was smooth and easy. So many great sounds to be had. Definitely the best bedroom/modeling amp I have ever heard and owned. Loving the MS1959 I with the treble boost kicked on.
Thanks again, Jeff.
Now I got it. Little bit learning still with assignments inside MS-3 patch (making also num 1-4 + currnum send midi commands) but midi patch succeeded well and I can now send Katana effects on/off messages from MS-3.
At this point I’m very pleased with different choices I can play with MS-3 and Katana.