Boss VF-1 vs. SE-70?

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  1. The Revolution

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    I had an RSP-550, the precursor to the se-70, and I "upgraded" to the VF-1. The "organic" warmth of the RSP-550 not really there in the VF-1, but it does have a "tone" its very clear and articulate and the FX are much more flexible and plentiful. It is not bad, it is just a tone you love, hate or just accept as I have. The delay on the RSP-550 was beautiful.
     
  2. italo de angelis

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    Can we all try a little good thing for the new year? ALL of us?
    Let's just drop the *organic* word off any audio description... as it means nothing for audio and is such a clichè of emptiness...
    Not a comment about what The Revolution just posted as we all use that word.
    He just reminded me about something I wanted to say... since long time ago.
    Languages have so many great words and phrases to describe things...

    Thank you all... the droppers...
     
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    Man, I heard of this guy Brent Garsed, but never listed to him until this.....that was wicked!!

    Thanks
    Ian
     
  4. Frisbi

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    Just one thing.
    Reading the manuals, apparently SE70 doesnt work with external midi clock while VF1 is midi clock syncable.
    That makes a big difference for me since I use midi clock a lot.
    Do you know if I can dial bpm to a delay in Se70?
    And is VF1 really so bad with sound?
     
  5. AnalogKid85

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    Absolutely, even for every single tap in the 20-Tap delay ;) LOTS of different subdivisions to choose from too.

    It's a mixed bag. You must run it in parallel for the time-based FX (just trust me on that one!), but even then, some sounds are just not as "robust" as they are on, say, a Lexicon MPX-1 or a PCM. The algorithms themselves do what they're supposed to do—the Dimension D and CE-1-style chorus really do their thing nicely—but chorus in particular comes across as a little less "crisp" than it does with those Lexicons (or any analog stuff). The 4-band EQ does help in this, but only so much.

    When I first got this box, I was crazy about the chorus sound because it was the only FX processor I had that could REALLY do a convincing CE-1 waveform (and in true stereo too, with separate delay lines). I made at least 30 presets doing variations on just that sound (mostly trying to emulate Alex Lifesons late 70s/early 80s Rush sounds). I still enjoy these, but I find myself using them less and less as I've acquired other gear that can also emulate these more "vintage" waveforms easily too (MPX-1) and also explored other techniques in gear I already had that could help it get closer (PCM80).

    I do like delays a bit better. Naturally, since you're usually running delays at lower levels (like -8 or -12dB), your ear is probably not going to be as sensitive to these little details as they are with chorus, and the EQs can really do a lot for the delays too (my favorite "method" on this box: dialing in a hi & low-cut + a midrange hump at the input EQ, paired with different hi & low damps in the feedback path). No modulated delays, but I have gotten some nice sounds with the delay>chorus algorithm (which allows you to feed delay+dry into the chorus, or just the delay). There's lots of 3-tap delays, some dual-stereo delays, and of course that big 20-Tap one too—all of which have either BPM settings for each one, or a time % control (i.e. choose a subdivision for the "main" delay line and configure the others with the % control).

    Overall, it's not the best-sounding box I own, but I'm definitely holding onto it, mostly for the "weird" stuff it can do, like the Slicer+Dual delay (both of which are tap tempo-enabled :) ).
     
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  6. Frisbi

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    Yes the slicer also got my attention.
    What about reverbs?
     
  7. AnalogKid85

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    Somewhere in-between the quality of the Rocktron stuff and the Lexicon MPX-1. I do get some good sounds out of them, but at long decay times, you really have to do something extra to "smooth" it out (this is why I like to use one of the Chorus>Reverb algorithms, and feed short modulated delays into the reverb). You also have a level control for the Early Reflections, which is nice.
     
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  8. AnalogKid85

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    Well, I've got both now....
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    I will have a pretty detailed post coming up comparing these two. Overall I find them to be very "complementary" boxes that fill out each other's shortcomings nicely :D For the raw tone of the effects I would say the SE-70 does sound better, but not overtly so, and it's not so much better that it would make me use an "alternate" SE-70 chorus sound to the VF-1's Dimension D emulation, for example (which the SE-70 doesn't have).

    As far as algorithms go, both boxes have things I couldn't live without, but the SE-70 does have a little bit more of what I want, and really gets a little closer to the heart of the things I like to program on the other boxes ;) The Wave Chorus algorithm's Exponential waveform, for example, wound up getting me closer to the 1210's chorus sound than I thought it would (I was really trying to tweak this algorithm for more of a TSC kind of sound, but that waveform really "jumped out" at me and led me in a different direction :D ), and the 12-tap and 2x3-tap detune/pitch shift/reverse algorithm's possibilities are so extensive, they could have been the basis for a new product unto themselves (and in a way it kind of was, with the Boss PS-3 pedal—which does about 1/10th of what this can do). There's a great, real stereo mod delay here too, probably the same as the DD-20's, but with some extra features (4-band EQ + sin/tri waveform choice).

    I will have a more detailed summary coming soon that will break down all the differences, and which box does X effect better, etc. Still tweaking some new SE-70 presets, and I'll have some of those up soon!
     
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  9. Frisbi

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    Did you give a try to new Boss 500 series?
    I am trying RV and DD and I am absolutely in love with them.
    I think.they took some algorithms from VF1, and you can find some modulations hidden here and there in these two small boxes.
     

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