Boutique Snobbery

jonlarsen002

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Has anyone noticed that the musicians who are actually out there making a very nice living often use equipment that a lot of people on these forums would sneer at?

It's kind of interesting... for example, I would like to see a breakdown of how many Landgraff pedals were actually purchased with the proceeds of musical efforts vs. other full-time day jobs.

Another example... nobody on this board seems to have any major problems with a standard Ibanez Tubescreamer, but there are probably a dozen commonly-accepted alternatives that many consider to be better. At the same time, I see tons of Tubescreamers on famous pedalboards.

Just some food for thought. Maybe it will help me to concentrate on playing better and end my problem with endlessly seeking the holy grail of tone.
 

justonwo

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People buy what makes them happy. Experimenting with tones and getting subtle variations is a hobby unto itself. Plus, people might like how the pedal looks, which is legitimate in my mind. I see a lot of threads from people buying boutique pedals, but I don't see much of the snobbery you're talking about.
 

samhambone

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you make a great point. i have OFTEN found myself spending more time rearranging my pedal board and searching for that one mythical/magical missing pedal THAN I HAVE SPENT ACTUALLY PLAYING!!!! i swear there are times when i'm just gonna pack all these boutique pedals up and just chuck my boss blues driver and delay on the floor and go from there. i read an interview w/ a nashville session guy (i don't recall his name - but he's from colorado and knew bill frisell from there) who said he can play "virtually any gig with a boss blues driver and digital delay."
ALL THAT SAID - IT'S MY OWN PERSONAL INSANITY - NOT THE FAULT OF THE BOUTIQUE BUILDERS - THAT CAUSES ME TO CONTINUE SEARCHING FOR THE MAGIC BULLET PEDAL TO END ALL PEDALS.

WOW - I FEEL BETTER, NOW!!!
 

Mr. Kite

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I like all kinds, Boss, Ibanez, Landgraff, EHX, vintage, new, etc. :BEER
 

jonlarsen002

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Yeah, I guess I used the term "snobbery" because I find myself mocking a boss-laden pedalboard or a POD 2008XTLSuperXtreme.

Very interesting story about the Blues Driver and Delay guy!
 

lukeII

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A fair point but there are many artists using boutique products. It shouldn't be a case of snobbery use what sounds good to you. End of story
 

rawkguitarist

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The reason is, most "famous" guys don't care about gear as much as we do. Most want decent stuff, but many get some good stuff and call it good. We on the other hand are a different story. As said, for many gear buying and conjecture is a hobby. I know it's a lot of fun for me. Although, I do play with this stuff professionally. But I still feel I'm pretty tempered compared to many on The Gear Page. I think Boss and Line 6 both make some great gear. If a production piece of gear does what I want it to do, that's what I get/keep. But a lot of the boutique stuff has the *extra* that we gear hounds seek.

But, there are some "famous" guys like John Meyer and Brad Paisley that spend plenty of time and effort looking for the boutique stuff.
 

blood5150

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The only reason you see a lot of Tubescreamers, etc... on professional musicians boards is because it is a lot easier to replace an Ibanez TS-9 than it is replacing a zen drive or a timmy... if you break one on tour you can walk into any guitar center an get a new one... that is the reason alot of people also use the line-6 modelers... I think that they stink, but you can beat the crap out of it and get another one without sitting on a waiting list. I am willing to bet that the pro's use better stuff in the studio though.
 

CWFurst

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This might be kind of a far reach but... I'll go for it. :rolleyes:

I see it to be similar to a fella who buys the expensive writing pen for a couple hundred bucks. While most of the pros in the office industry will use a regular pen this guy wants to have a super expensive pen because it's special to him or he feels that it works great. The truth is he might just keep it in a case because it's so nice and polish it every once in a while too. Does this make him less of a "pro" or does it just mean that he likes nice pens?

In the end both are just small tools in the big picture that will help you accomplish what you are doing.

Have Fun! :BEER
 

HBob

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The flip side of your point is that if it weren't for the non-pros buying the boutique stuff there'd be very little of it. It's slobs like myself who enjoy making cool noises with their guitars for fun who made the boutique marketplace. Look at the list of pro users listed on any boutique pedal web site. 30 to 40 names. Great. You're going to go into business to sell 30 or 40 pedals? No, you're going to go into business to sell to the thousands of guys who'd love to be on that list of 30-40 names. The same goes for almost any company doing business in music gear. Fender, Marshall, Gibson, PRS would still be around but they wouldn't be nearly as big as they are without the guys who do this as a hobby.
 

jonlarsen002

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The only reason you see a lot of Tubescreamers, etc... on professional musicians boards is because it is a lot easier to replace and Ibanez TS-9 than it is replacing a zen drive or a timmy... if you break one on tour you can walk into any guitar center an get a new one... that is the reason alot of people also use the line-6 modelers... I think that they stink, but you can beat the crap out of it and get another one without sitting on a waiting list. I am willing to bet that the pro's use better stuff in the studio though.

Never thought of that.... good point.

Yeah, gear is definitely a hobby in itself.

Another way I like to think about it is that our equipment (particularly our pedalboards) are a reflection of us as people and as musicians. You can tell a simple guy from his board. You can tell a "mod" guy from his board. You can tell a gay guy from his MultiFX board.
 

missing_dave

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agreed its what works for you..but is a good point that with all the money famous artists have. we seem to see more tube screamers etc..ill be it they are probably keeley,or aman ones...but they could have any TS variant they want??...if they wanted a LDO ,or a well you get my point i dont want to start that thread... but hey TS9 sound great witha cranked amp?so whatever right? plus maybe they all arent like us;)


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mprvise

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Some players are just not gear heads like many of us. I know several guys around town - great players, but just not into gear. Then they come over to my house. :) (Just kidding, sort of.)

I've heard:
great players get great tone out of average/crap gear
great players with crap tone using great gear
okay players with great tone using average/crap gear
okay players with crap tone using great gear

Tone is in the hands? :confused: Yeah, to a great extent I think that is true. It's that last 10% (the expensive 10%) I think most of us are looking for. It's just like finding more horsepower in a good strong motor, or trying to improve an already impressive home audio system.
 

SunnyRollins

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Some players are just not gear heads like many of us. I know several guys around town - great players, but just not into gear. Then they come over to my house. :) (Just kidding, sort of.)

I've heard:
great players get great tone out of average/crap gear
great players with crap tone using great gear
okay players with great tone using average/crap gear
okay players with crap tone using great gear

Tone is in the hands? :confused: Yeah, to a great extent I think that is true. It's that last 10% (the expensive 10%) I think most of us are looking for. It's just like finding more horsepower in a good strong motor, or trying to improve an already impressive home audio system.
yeah, even porn actors would love to improve some 10%...we're only human:dude
 

Jacobpaul81

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this thread shows up once a month. The truth is, you play what you like. There are just as many multi-million dollar earning muscians with high dollar, fancy boards, as there are 40,000 a year joes with them. Likewise, there are multi-million dollar earning muscians playing Boss and Ibanez, Line 6, etc, and lots of joes playing it.

What I don't understand is why there is a post about it every 5-6 weeks. =)


The important truth is: You can be a Boutique Gear Head and not be a Cork Sniffer. You can be Boss Lover and be a Cork Sniffer. But no matter what you are, if you're a d***head, you're always gonna be a d***head. =)
 

Super Locrian

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Regular production pedals tend to dominate in the pro rigs I've seen. Boss in particular, plus the Line 6 DL-4. This stuff is not expensive, fairly solidly built, and gets the job done. The comment about being able to do virtually any gig with a Boss blues driver and digital delay is not far-fetched. Not a bad idea for a back-to-basics rig. But I happen to like phasing, chorus, tremolo, and differerent flavours of overdrive, hence 2 pedals would not get me all the sounds I'd like in my sonic palette. And digital multi-effects have always sounded pale when compared to analog stomp-boxes, IMHO. It's more about being choosy, rather than snobbish, for me.
 

jonlarsen002

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this thread shows up once a month. The truth is, you play what you like. There are just as many multi-million dollar earning muscians with high dollar, fancy boards, as there are 40,000 a year joes with them. Likewise, there are multi-million dollar earning muscians playing Boss and Ibanez, Line 6, etc, and lots of joes playing it.

What I don't understand is why there is a post about it every 5-6 weeks. =)


The important truth is: You can be a Boutique Gear Head and not be a Cork Sniffer. You can be Boss Lover and be a Cork Sniffer. But no matter what you are, if you're a d***head, you're always gonna be a d***head. =)

This post comes up every now and then because on TGP, we get lost in our own little gear world... then when you're out and about you get a reality check from time to time.
 
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IMHO these famous guitarists play through heavily modded and or customized amps and geetars...not to mention the experts they employ to maintain this gear, so its probably easier to get a good tone without much help by pedals, so when they do employ a pedal a simple TS will do...

But I do think theres something to the fact that many of us fool ourselves into thinking just because we payed more for it it sounds better...I have ventured into the boutique realm a bit and have gone back to boss...especially modulation...I have some barber pedals, an mi audio pedal, visual sounds jeckyl and hyde, and have tried skreddy and other overpriced boutique stomps and I tell you my boss sd-1 or od-3 sound just as good, just different...
 




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