BR-600 - hate amp models - alternatives?

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  1. buddyboy

    buddyboy Gold Supporting Member

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    I've been using my BR600 for awhile now. Great machine, but I'm not a fan of any of the built in amp models. Yes, they're tweakable but I'd rather search for a better alternative.

    I'm kinda a "plug and play" guy, so I'm not up on the latest devices out there. Are there any cool units that I can plug my guitar and bass into and have the option of choosing multiple amp/cab models that have great tone, which I can plug into the BR600?
     
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    I'm kind of in the same boat in that I find the on-board amp sims need a lot of tweaking to get something useable.

    I haven't bothered with other modellers though - if I want better tones than the on-board I tend to just stick a mic in front of an amp.
     
  3. Strat335

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    They're tweakable? Is that right? I never read the manual and don't have one. I know it's downloadable, I just haven't done it. I had no idea you could tweak any of the presets.

    As soon as I get a harmonic converger (whatever the hell that really is) I am going to try running my GT-8 through it.




     
  4. buddyboy

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    Apparently you can tweak them. In practice though, tweaking via the BR600 itself is sort of a PITA. I'm thinking a good plug in processor/modeler-type thingie might be easier and have better/broader range of options.
     
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    I bought a used original version Vox Tonelab that seems to have a bunch of good tones in it, could easily use that into my BR600 clean rather than using one of the built in Boss models. I found it very reasonably priced used...
     
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    Ya, the modeller on the 600 isn't the best (but I find it acceptable for bass parts). The Vox is probably the best modeller I've heard (though I have yet to hear the Axe FX). Another consideration is something like the Damage Control Womanizer. It's a tube preamp with cab simulation (or it can be used like a regular distortion pedal). I've used it for recording direct with pretty good results.
     
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    THis is my technique as well.
     
  8. LSchefman

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    >>I haven't bothered with other modellers though - if I want better tones than the on-board I tend to just stick a mic in front of an amp.

    THis is my technique as well<<

    Works for me, too.

    But for those whose life prohibits this simplest of techniques (apartments, cranky wife/relatives, etc), and who aren't using computers, I'd say just get an Axe FX if you have the dough, or you might try the new Waves hardware thingy (I'm not a fan of the Pod but that's an option as well).

    To my way of thinking, once you've decided not to record the actual amp, you've started down a slippery slope... ;)

    But sometimes that's necessary!
     
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    How about one of the Tech 21 Sansamp pedals?
     
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    True, if digital modelling is not you're thing, there's still the various Sansamps, the H&K Tubeman and the Morley/Session JD-10 out there.
     
  11. lespaulreedsmith

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    I am a modeler connisseur' (don't tell the guy's on the other sections of the forum cause I don't want a hassle from them...:worried kidding... btw I own and have owned numerous tube amps)

    I have owned or still own the following...

    Korg AX10G and other Korg modelers
    Boss GT5, GT6, GT8 and other Boss modelers
    Zoom G9.2tt and other Zoom modelers
    Line 6 POD and other Line 6 modelers and amps
    AdrennaLinn 1 and 2
    Vox ToneLab LE and other Vox units
    DigiTech GNX4 and other Digitech modelers (I still own 2 of the GNX4's, one for live and one for studio)
    M-Audio Black Box
    Behringer V-Amp 2 and Vampire amplifier head


    Anyway, I believe modeling has it's place and I have looked and tried I believe most products from every manufacturer except Fractal Audio (what ever unit that is but I heard it was really good here on the forum).
    My recommendations for best and quickest sound direct to tape (or hard drive) has been... are ya ready?

    #1-Behringer V-Amp 2
    #2- M-Audio Black Box

    Yeah, I know... blasphemy. Yeah, it's been a 'Holy Grail' search but hey, it's my money (ok, and my wife's) and even though I still am wanting to put a pedal board together and put it through the front end of my VHT PittBull head (back to my 80's memories) I still use digital for the sheer convenience of it.
    I also believe 99.95% of Joe Schmoe's out front can't tell or don't care about the difference of digital vs. tube. And putting guitar to tape? Ok, is it for a cd release or demo?
    C,mon. Get a decent facsimile by whatever method you choose to the recording be it digital or miced amp IMHO if it's a demo...
    Oh, and yeah, of course tweak ANY device to make it sound it's best please! Most presets are the worst as most people know...

    Anyway, Behringer V-Amp is my 'go to' for practicing and fast recording modeler...
     
  12. goodsal

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    I've tried a lot of methods of recording using the BR-600. The best results for me by far have been via the line out on my Fender Super Champ XD through a Palmer PDI-09 speaker simulator into the mic input on the BR-600.
     
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    I don't know if it's available for your set-up, but after trying almost everything short of the Waves GTR system, I'm convinced that IK has it pretty close w/ Amplitube 2.

    The one thing I find with all modelers is that super-saturated tones just never sound real, and Amplitube is no different. However, the low- to medium crunch sounds are pretty nice, and much better than anything else I've tried. NI's Guitar Rig is a close second, and offers more glitz, though it's not quite as amp-like.
     
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    Some PC software called ReValver II is good for amp modelling, better than any standalone outboard unit about (obviously, because it has more processing power available), I think it comes as a VST plugin for whatever recording software you like to use.
     
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    Tweaking the Br600s models is pretty easy to do. I don't like modelers but I've been surprised how decent it can sound.
     

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