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Discussion in 'The Sound Hound Lounge' started by shane8, Feb 13, 2020.
Ima considering this as perfected Britpop:
i'm gonna take the stance that nothing compares to the smiths
britpop's moment was somewhat longer than a moment
the smiths were possibly the most important british band of the 80s & Marr's music was vital but the reason the smiths were so revered was because of moz - his lyrics changed the game & paved the way for britpop
+ the smiths were one of the rare examples of - more than the sum of it's parts
the average punter cares more about the words than the music
having said that JM probably influenced a lot of britpop guitarists but so many britpop acts had better songs than JM post smiths
Does the era matter when defining 'Brit pop'? When I think of Brit pop I think of the stuff from the 1960s.
Pulp are a good example of why I think Britpop needs dividing in two - they're a perfect example of a first wave Britpop band, well outside the curve during the second wave.
Early Britpop always felt like it that it had a lot in common with people such as Ken Loach, Shane Meadows, Irvine Walsh and John King who specialised in giving a voice to British working class culture - one of the unique factors that made Pulp, Suede sand a few others stand out was very much their writing from the perspective of people who'd grown up in working class Britain and the desire to document that life. That to me defined Britpop in a more profound way that the parkas and Adidas tops and superimposing the Union Jack onto everything - the early bands were really trying to do something from the heart.
I think Blur also fitted into that to a good extent but they always seemed to to lack the empathy that Pulp and Suede had and it was a bit more tongue in cheek - as someone who grew up in England in the 80s and 90s, Pulp and early Suede songs very much described the world I lived in, whereas I recognise the world within Blur songs but it's the England I remember from films and TV rather than the actual England I lived in. And from there on it was a quick slide into crudely drawn cartoons of Britishness.
Depends if you leave a space!
'Britpop' as we're discussing here describes a tightly defined music scene that started around 1992 and fizzling out at the end of the decade, that grew up as grunge began to lose its grip on UK culture and there was a swing back to home grown music. It was first coined in a Select magazine feature with Suede, Pulp, St Ettienne, Denim and the Auteurs portrayed together as a new scene in 1993. It was bigger than grunge over here and there were corresponding dance music, art and film movements all celebrating British culture. Even the Labour government that came into power in '97 co-opted the movement
Brit pop can be anything that's vaguely British and pop, from the 60s Brit Invasion groups to Take That to the present day.
I can't really contribute to this thread as my personal definition of britpop doesn't include a lot of bands mentioned here, but I love all of the bands mentioned here.
Instead I'm just gonna say "Super Furry Animals"
Don't even know if they are britpop or not.
A rhosyn by any other name......
There's an argument that at the end of their initial run with the release of Lovelife Lush were folded into britpop, but neither they nor James nor Electronic strike me generally as examples of britpop bands.
Just the other day I was youtubing on some Blur, Supergrass, Elastica, Verve, Lightning Seeds etc. Yup, good stuff.
I agree with everything you say about Spiritualized!
To add to the Marr love:
If you get a chance to see him live, DO IT.
He and his band are super tight and Johnny appears to be having the time of his life.
I think Britpop guitarists owe a lot to Marr, Terry Bickers, and Will Sargent.
Sadly no. He was officially pronounced dead I think in 2007, but more for reasons of how to handle his estate than any concrete evidence to confirm his death.
His sister launches a campaign every few years to appeal for any new information, which is why the papers run things seemingly out of the blue. It must be a horrible thing to live with, juggling the grief of losing someone with that awful flicker of hope that one day the phone will ring and she'll hear his voice. I don't know how you get closure in that situation.
Saw him last year, really great show. Nice mix of new material and note perfect Smiths songs, and he had his son Nile supporting who's worth keeping an eye on, has the makings of a great front man.
Bernard Butler was a die hard Smiths fan who appears to be note perfect on Marr riffs (there's a recording somewhere of him, McAlmont, Mike Joyce and Andy Rourke playing a couple of Smiths songs at a charity gig) , and Noel Gallagher often name checked him. His influence on indie music is absolutely phenomenal.
Since it's a guitar forum and all, Bernard and Johnny are why I play this:
I have an odd association with Britpop. As a twentysomething in FL at the time, I felt strangely connected with it. Tampa was the Death Metal captital and I hated grunge and most of the Seattle scene. I had become disillusioned with R.E.M. and wanted something like the late 80s music that I had grown to love like the Smiths, etc. Suede scratched that itch in spades. I was thrilled to find a scene that played music that I liked. Even if it was on the other side of the pond.
There also was some really good American bands around that time like Belly, Magnapop, Fuzzy, Velocity Girl, etc.
I got to see BB play that in a duo setting with him and Ben Watt together. Yeah it was as great as you’d think it was.
Loved this album when it came out.
When ’This is Hardcore’ came out I swear I heard the song before. It was driving me bonkers. Then one day realized the melody was a sampled loop from the Raumpatrouille Orion soundtrack. A 1960s German sci-fi TV series. Great choice. It’s a fantastic sci-fi loungecore album.
Yeah, saw him with Ben a few times and he's been playing with Mark Eitzel recently which was amazing.
I love that when he was playing with Ben they had upwards of £40k's worth of vintage guitars between them on a tour of 200 capacity venues. It's so totally over the top, and exactly what I'd do in their shoes!
Great spot, I never knew that! Cool piece of music, that, as well.
The Darling Buds.
Singer has also got into high end watches. They make a very expensive (like $50k and up) and novel design racing chronograph.
Love this song as well, and it is maybe the greatest song title ever: