Bruno Super 100

[pureoldsound]

Ok Bruno users.....need some help.....

I’ve never played one or heard one in person, and looks like I won't be able to try one so I have to rely on clips and opinions....

As I understand the two closest amps to a dumble are the Two Rock and the Super 100. Although, the Super 100 is actually a clone of a dumble and the TR is based on a dumble (50W). I went to Tony’s website and it says that there are 2 types of Super 100 an EL34 and 6L6...

How are the clean tones on the Super 100? How much sustain does it have? How much gain does it have (is it a 3 stage gain amp or less)? Does it have Dumblelator FX loop?

Thanks....

 

[jokerjkny]

search is your friend:

https://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/41259

 

[pureoldsound]

Thanks Joker...I did a search before I started this thread and I read your post about the Super 100 however there is no mention as of how much gain it has or sustain......

 

[pureoldsound]

Anyone?????

 

[cold_fusion]

I think I just saw a used one on ebay go for $2700.00 with no reserve on it...so.....it definitely has good resale value!!!
! so there must be some magic here...esp. if NOS tube are involved!!!!!

 

[Tag]

Originally posted by pureoldsound
Ok Bruno users.....need some help.....

I’ve never played one or heard one in person, and looks like I won't be able to try one so I have to rely on clips and opinions....

As I understand the two closest amps to a dumble are the Two Rock and the Super 100. Although, the Super 100 is actually a clone of a dumble and the TR is based on a dumble (50W). I went to Tony’s website and it says that there are 2 types of Super 100 an EL34 and 6L6...

How are the clean tones on the Super 100? How much sustain does it have? How much gain does it have (is it a 3 stage gain amp or less)? Does it have Dumblelator FX loop?

Thanks....

The EL34 model sounds KILLER. The 6L6 one sounded very simlilar to the TwoRock Custom reverb. They have TONS of gain, but not in the same way that a Soldano or Marshall has lots of gain. The clean tones are great, but not as good as a Cowtipper or UG 30. I think you can get it with or without the Dumblelator.

 

[matte]

Here's my clip of the 6L6 Super 100, which was commissioned by Tony.

 

[pfrischmann]

I'd get it with. It's a big part of that tone. I don't know what your experience is with Dumble style amps. I'd like to make a suggestion, two actually.

Try before you buy or make sure you can get it from a dealer with a money back guarantee. This circuit is very different and not for everyone. The speakers you use matter a lot as well.

I'm not sure what tone you are shooting for here are a couple of observations based on my experience..

Two Rock.

Emerald pro-the easiest to play and very versatile. Quite compressed and smooth sounding. A shade of dumble but not quite exact.

Custom-Very Robben ford, you have to match it up with celestion 65's to really get there. pretty gritty but cust through really well

Opal-A wole new thing, very tough to play but rewarding if you have the touch, must be played LOUD

Signature, Only layed one. As close to a Dumble as anyone will ever get. (I have played a few Dumble's)


Fuchs:
More of a Dumble meets a boogie mk-I. Great amp. GREAT rock tones. something the other amps can have trouble with.

Bruno;
I played an older 6l6 one. The clean sond was great. Like a high strung Fender. The distorted side has to be VERY loud to make it happen. I hear the El-34 one is much more versatile.

 

[Tag]

Originally posted by pfrischmann
I'd get it with. It's a big part of that tone. I don't know what your experience is with Dumble style amps. I'd like to make a suggestion, two actually.

Try before you buy or make sure you can get it from a dealer with a money back guarantee. This circuit is very different and not for everyone. The speakers you use matter a lot as well.

I'm not sure what tone you are shooting for here are a couple of observations based on my experience..

Two Rock.

Emerald pro-the easiest to play and very versatile. Quite compressed and smooth sounding. A shade of dumble but not quite exact.

Custom-Very Robben ford, you have to match it up with celestion 65's to really get there. pretty gritty but cust through really well

Opal-A wole new thing, very tough to play but rewarding if you have the touch, must be played LOUD

Signature, Only layed one. As close to a Dumble as anyone will ever get. (I have played a few Dumble's)


Fuchs:
More of a Dumble meets a boogie mk-I. Great amp. GREAT rock tones. something the other amps can have trouble with.

Bruno;
I played an older 6l6 one. The clean sond was great. Like a high strung Fender. The distorted side has to be VERY loud to make it happen. I hear the El-34 one is much more versatile.

Just a note here. The Bruno S 100 EL34 is an exact clone of Genes tan Dumble. The TwoRocks are NOT clones of Dumbles according to Joe and Steve Kimmock, although the story seems to change at various times. Gene has owned 4 Dumbles, and the tan (EL34) is easily the best of the group. The EL 34 S100 sounds just like it.

 

[scottl]

Originally posted by pfrischmann
Fuchs:
More of a Dumble meets a boogie mk-I. Great amp. GREAT rock tones. something the other amps can have trouble with.

Not even remotely accurate anymore. The SLXs that people have played have easily been up there with any of the above mentioned amps. Just ask Frankenstrat, Fullerplast, and others....

Maybe less rock now? Not sure. But no Boogie for sure!

Scott

 

[pureoldsound]

Thanks for the info guys. Matte is that a 6L6 or EL34?

What I am looking is smooth OD,with lots of sustain, harmonics, warm sounding......and it must have gain, not metal gain but lets just say Santana type of gain (even though he uses or used Mesa). I saw a recent pic of a concert and he had Marshall and Fender on stage no sign of Dumble or Mesa? I thought he switched to Dumble.....

I have a '68 plexi clone 100w, that and with the help of a clean boost gives me the gain tones that I need...So I guess, gain wise a little bit more than a plexi is what I am looking for....

I have several amps on my list but I don't want something that resembles the Marshall plexi tone in one way or another....I know there are better versions but in the end it still a Marshall tone, and I already have that.....

 

[matte]

Originally posted by pureoldsound
Thanks for the info guys. Matte is that a 6L6 or EL34?

What I am looking is smooth OD,with lots of sustain, harmonics, warm sounding......and it must have gain, not metal gain but lets just say Santana type of gain (even though he uses or used Mesa). I saw a recent pic of a concert and he had Marshall and Fender on stage no sign of Dumble or Mesa? I thought he switched to Dumble.....

I have a '68 plexi clone 100w, that and with the help of a clean boost gives me the gain tones that I need...So I guess, gain wise a little bit more than a plexi is what I am looking for....

I have several amps on my list but I don't want something that resembles the Marshall plexi tone in one way or another....I know there are better versions but in the end it still a Marshall tone, and I already have that.....

That's the latest revision of the 6L6. I worked closely with Tony on the voicing(s). It has a very flexible tone stack and an extraordinary clean channel. I spent alot of time ABing the 6L6 and 34 Super 100s and I preferred the 6L6(the clean channel was tighter). I also AB'd Tony's EL 34 against Gene's Tan Dumble for an extended period of time and I MUCH preferred Tony's voicing.

 

[MikeyG]

If you've got a dog in that Dumble clone hunt, at the prices they go for, a trip to Ultrasound is the way to go. Airfares are cheap these days ... I've owned almost all of those amps at different times, and without an A/B situation, I'd be hard-pressed to choose a winner ...

 

[matte]

Originally posted by MikeyG
If you've got a dog in that Dumble clone hunt, at the prices they go for, a trip to Ultrasound is the way to go. Airfares are cheap these days ...

.

 

[Tag]

Originally posted by Matte
That's the latest revision of the 6L6. I worked closely with Tony on the voicing(s). It has a very flexible tone stack and an extraordinary clean channel. I spent alot of time ABing the 6L6 and 34 Super 100s and I preferred the 6L6(the clean channel was tighter). I also AB'd Tony's EL 34 against Gene's Tan Dumble for an extended period of time and I MUCH preferred Tony's voicing.

Hey Matte,

Sounds like Tony has redesigned the EL34 Super 100 as well.
I did my A\B testing 4 years ago with the tan Dumble and EL34S 100. While looking at the amps, I "thought" I could tell them apart. Without looking, I failed every time. Has Tony now put his tonal stamp on it? I wonder if I would like it better as well if he has. He just has the ear.

I know the 6L6 has been totally changed. Ken says it is unbelievable but I have not had a chance to play it yet. Do you know how many versions he now has? he had 4 at one time I "think". The Hawiian model, the C.Cross, the EL34 (tan) one, and the Hawian\Cross Hybrid. I need to get to Ultra in the next few months, as a S 100 may be my next Bruno.

I wish you could have played my Cow 22 before it was shipped. WHAT a tone!!

 

[pureoldsound]

Originally posted by MikeyG
If you've got a dog in that Dumble clone hunt, at the prices they go for, a trip to Ultrasound is the way to go. Airfares are cheap these days ... I've owned almost all of those amps at different times, and without an A/B situation, I'd be hard-pressed to choose a winner ...

Hey Mike, that would be the wisest thing to do. However if I do that I might have to pay 3 round trip tickets....MAE should start carrying Bruno..….

 

[Tag]

Originally posted by scottl
Not even remotely accurate anymore. The SLXs that people have played have easily been up there with any of the above mentioned amps. Just ask Frankenstrat, Fullerplast, and others....

Maybe less rock now? Not sure. But no Boogie for sure!

Scott

Agreed 100%. I had my Fuchs and Boogie MK III right on top of one another for about a year. The tones could not be farther apart. Not even remotely similar.

 

[matte]

Originally posted by Tag
Hey Matte,

Sounds like Tony has redesigned the EL34 Super 100 as well.
I did my A\B testing 4 years ago with the tan Dumble and EL34S 100. While looking at the amps, I "thought" I could tell them apart. Without looking, I failed every time. Has Tony now put his tonal stamp on it? I wonder if I would like it better as well if he has. He just has the ear.

I know the 6L6 has been totally changed. Ken says it is unbelievable but I have not had a chance to play it yet. Do you know how many versions he now has? he had 4 at one time I "think". The Hawiian model, the C.Cross, the EL34 (tan) one, and the Hawian\Cross Hybrid. I need to get to Ultra in the next few months, as a S 100 may be my next Bruno.

I wish you could have played my Cow 22 before it was shipped. WHAT a tone!!

Glad you dig the Cow 22. Baddass amp. 6Vs, Tube recitifer? What's not to like? I cranked up a few a dem bitches and dug em. Ride the volume control on your gitfiddle and it's on.

Tony did indeed change the voicing on the EL to suit his ears/taste and I dig the results. The guy has incredible ears and his tireless attention to detail has been a great inspiration to me. Now if he would just build a chassis with wood side panels.

 

[pureoldsound]

Originally posted by Matte
Glad you dig the Cow 22. Baddass amp. 6Vs, Tube recitifer? What's not to like? I cranked up a few a dem bitches and dug em. Ride the volume control on your gitfiddle and it's on.

Tony did indeed change the voicing on the EL to suit his ears/taste and I dig the results. The guy has incredible ears and his tireless attention to detail has been a great inspiration to me. Now if he would just build a chassis with wood side panels.

So the new EL34 is not a faithfull repro of the Dumble he cloned? It has now more of a Bruno own voicing?

 

[matte]

Originally posted by pureoldsound
So the new EL34 is not a faithfull repro of the Dumble he cloned? It has now more of a Bruno own voicing?