Buffer question.

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  1. Suarkttam

    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    Can you place a buffer pedal anywhere in your chain for it to have the desired effect of retaining your tone?
     
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    For my set-up, I've found it to act best up front.
     
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    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    That seems to be the general consensus. Do you know if it will improve the tone of the looped passages coming out of my Boss RC-3?
     
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    justnick Gold Supporting Member

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    Buffers don't "improve tone." All they do with regard to tone is isolate your pickups from the effects of cable capacitance AFTER the buffer. They can therefore make your rig sound a bit brighter or less muddy if you are running a lot of cable and only have true bypass pedals.

    The only difference in placement in this regard is to do with how much cabling you will have before and after the buffer. So if it's just a matter of inches (a few patch cables) it doesn't matter.

    The other reason you may need to try different placements is the low impedance output of the buffer may react oddly with some fuzz pedals after the buffer.

    Here's a vid I just made on this question. Hope it is helpful...

     
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    Everyone should watch this video, very good work. Was that done in one take? If so, this is the pedal video equivalent of Hitchcock's "Rope".

    I think I am already following the recipe - in my case, one trusty Boss pedal (i.e. the buffer), located after my fuzz.
     
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    That was great. Every thread about buffers on this site should be eliminated and replaced by that one video...
     
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    That is a great video man. Should be compulsory viewing when signing up to tgp
     
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    It is always preferable to place the buffer first in the the chain. You can put as much as 4 or 5 pedals deep in the chain depending on the capacitance of the cable you are using. You will have to use you ears to determine what is an acceptable amount of high end loss.

    David
     
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    Really nice, down-to-earth way of explaining :aok
     
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    justnick Gold Supporting Member

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    I'm so glad you liked it. Yes, one take. I rigidly adhere to the strictures of Lars Von Trier's Dogme 85 in filming all my gear demo's.
     
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    Great video and it answered a lot of questions I had. Nicely done!
     
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    Dang... that was a great video.

    I knew the Pentagon wanted to degrade my tone! :hide2
     
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    Suarkttam Silver Supporting Member Supporting Member

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    Ok. That was amazing. That cleared up something in such a succinct way that I have always been a little bit foggy about. I really hope that you are a teacher in some capacity in the real world, because that would mean that more people would benefit from your clarity. Thank you very much.
     
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    Great video, but you left out the part about some buffers having magic pixie dust in them that makes everything better.

    I recently had a buffer on my board that I thought I needed until I put it in a bypass loop and compared my tone without it, there was no perceivable difference. Then I started examining my board and I realized that I had a TB pedal that I kept on all the time, and that I had a couple buffered pedals towards the end of my chain. So even though I have a fairly large board and lots of pedals (which was why I thought I needed one in the first place), the buffer was really not doing anything but taking up an outlet on my PP2.
     
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    Thanks for the kind words! I'm so glad the video was helpful!

    n
     
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    :rotflmao
     
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    Man that was so helpful, and very entertaining
    Thanks
     

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