So a couple questions.....Hi, here's a question. I'm thinking of getting a stand alone buffer for my pedal board. I don't even know if I need one but the arguments are pretty compelling.
If I have a buffered pedal, ala Boss, would that cover the buffer issue? Would I need more than that? Am I just looking to spend $? Is this even important?
Looking for a better way....
This post goes perfectly with your profile pic!No, you said “once you activate the Boss pedal, you no longer have a buffer at work until you switch it off again.”
That is not the case. When the pedal is turned on, it’s an active signal, and therefore, buffered.
That’s the other problem buffers can solve. When a TB pedal is engaged, it drives the signal. When it’s off, it doesn’t.
Especially with pedals like modulation, delay, etc., the base tone can change (it will generally get brighter), due to the sudden shift in impedance, when the pedal is switched on.
Sometimes, when people complain about their delay or mod pedals “changing the base tone too much,” it’s actually that, rather than the pedal.
A buffer early in the chain makes it consistent.
Well, a person’s going to sound like themselves, inevitably, regardless of the electronics involved.This post goes perfectly with your profile pic!
I hear you. I play a Tele as well and never use more than 5 or 6 pedals. I certainly don't need a buffer, and tend to dislike having one on a board. However, I always have at least one pedal on (reverb), and feel that's acceptable in terms of buffering.I just posted this in a different thread but seems applicable here as well.
Buffers are not always necessary. I recently removed a buffer from my board and all my pedals sound and interact way better. The noise level went way down as well. Buffers may work for some people but the are not needed in all rigs and can potentially alter the sound in a negative way. Seems like in the last few years this place has gone buffer crazy. What happened to turning up the treble on amps or pedals? For my rig which consists of six pedals and 25 feet of cable, a buffer made everything sound brighter and crispy sounding. Since I play Telecasters into Vox amps additional brightness is not needed.
Check out the Truetone buffer, it’s about $50.I often wonder why people want a buffer at both ends, if one buffer can drive 50’ of cable or more. Which leads me to ask...
How far CAN a buffer drive a signal? I imagine they vary, but if the lowest number is like 100’, then why would anyone need two buffers?
I’m asking because I’m planning on gettting a second buffer for what is going to be a pretty big board with 14 boxes on it, counting the tuner and the Ditto, both of which are actually directly after the only buffer on my board (Topanga). I definitely hear a difference plugging straight in (which i do as often as not), which means me think an earlier buffer is needed, but i can’t insert a buffer until I’m at least 4 pedals deep before i get past the “no buffer zone”, because i have the wah and MDV-2 on the floor, followed by Ge London Fuzz and Beano on the board. I’m not even totally sure about the Ego comp, which will sit 5th. So a standalone buffer will only be buffering 7 TB pedals before it hits the Topanga. Am I gonna hear enough of a difference? I’m running a 15’ cord into the board and 25’ to the amp. I’m tempted to put the whole chain in a single bypass loop, but then suddenly it becomes 40’ straight to the amp, plus the loop cabling.
My only solution right now is to wire up everything, play through it, then plug directly into the Topanga to see if it improves. If i recall the rule of thumb, its about 18’ where it starts to make a difference, but i don’t know how they get that number, if pf/ft can widely vary. I’m using Spetraflex to the board and PW American Stage to the amp, and i have no idea if they’re “high or low” pf/ft cords.
Normally, i don’t sweat the minutia, but this is stuff that i can clearly hear in a band setting, and my friends hear it too. If it’s easy to fix, with a little research, it seems worth it to me. If i could rip the buffer out of the Topanga and stick it earlier in the chain, i would. But like i said, it can only go so far forward before it’ll dick with the Germs. As of right now, my plan is to grab a standalone buffer. I forget which one i was looking at... CAE, AM, TC... i had picked, but i forgot.. Any recommendations on that front?