Builders making set necks with contoured neck heels like Les Paul Axcess?

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  1. shood

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    Parker does.

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    It has to be custom ordered to get the trem on the SC. This is of course a custom ordered guitar.

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    Here's my Heatley Tradition. Love the contoured heel.

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    Yamaha did it almost 20 years ago with the Weddington series.
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    David, a question if I may? I'm just curious. I have a Custom Singlecut being built and requested a heel similar to yours and the others.

    My very good friend/tech (ex Yamaha Custom Shop, Fernandez builder and a few more) once told me that this style of neck joint was actually easier to build than a Les Paul style neck joint. He has never B.S.'d me that I know of, in fact usually tells me when things are much less difficult than some builders make them out to be.

    Besides, why would he tell me something is easier than perceived, as he could charge more if I believed it was much more difficult.

    He really has zero ego and I was just curious on your take since you said a Les Paul neck joint doesn't make sense except from a production stand point.

    Any comments or thoughts would be appreciated.

    Thanks!!!
     
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    David said the LP heel doesn't make sense except from a production standpoint. I would think a contoured heel would take more time in a line production because instead of carving the necks and bodies separately and then just mating them together, you would have to do some carving after gluing was done to ensure a smooth transition between the neck and body.

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    Yeah, I just re-read David's comment and edited my post.

    Now I'm really curious since my buddy says Les Paul neck joint is much harder to build than a smooth heel set neck.

    Maybe it has to do with the angle it has to be set at? I really don't know.
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    Here's a bunch of info on how contoured neck joints are done:

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    paintguy, what I meant was with a standard style joint you can make a neck and body separately and they will fit together without minimal work afterwards. With a smooth heel set neck the fit is independent of the top thickness and neck angle. In other words it is much easier because the top, neck tenon, and fingerboard do not need to match up as they do with an LP tenon joint.

    Also, as atquinn pointed out, there is a bit of heel sculpting prior to gluing in the neck but to get the curves to flow they have to be mostly finished up afterwards. This does not lend itself to making parts and assembling them which is what I meant by my comments.

    I do like the idea of the tenon system and the overlapping fingerboard. I think that contributes to the classic LP tone by making such a rigid neck join. But I can't carve one like I want to without exposing the tenon and heel joint. So I went with a full width tenon system so I can carve while not exposing the tenon and heel joint.

    So your builder is talking straight. An LP neck joint is a much more complex joint to make. I charge more for it.

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    David,

    thank-you much for your detailed explanation. Very kind of you and a very straight forward answer. I do appreciate it sir!

    Thanks again for sharing your knowledge and expertise.

    Larry
     
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    thorn sfc - best heel ever:bow
     
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    Huh? The SFC neck joint looks like the PRS Singlecut neck joint to me. I nice improvement on the traditional LP joint, but not fully contoured.

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