Can a 5E3 do the Bassman thing ?

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  1. crunchman

    crunchman Member

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    I have been assembling parts to build a 5E3, playing through a Vibro Champ XD

    in the interim.I find myself playing the #2 Bassman model quite a bit.

    Would it require a 2-ohm speaker load to sound similar ??
     
  2. wyatt

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    No, it can't. Completely different preamp/tone stack, which means very different voicing. The 5F6a Bassman preamp is a lot more sophisicated and really marks be beginning of the modern guitar amp, the 5E3 is simpler and a little more lo-fi and cruder by comparison.

    And no, the speaker load is a red herring. The fact that it is a 2-ohm secondary is entirely up to matching the 4000-ohm primary tube plate impedance to the 2-ohm speaker load in the cabinet. It being 2 ohms has zero to do with tone.
     
  3. crunchman

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    Thanks wyatt, I was having trouble finding good comprehensive 5E3 clips.

    Guess I'll have to get a Bassman too !!
     
  4. '58Bassman

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    I'll tell ya- having a Tweed Bassman isn't a bad thing.
     
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    Maybe I can build a 5E3/5E4A or something !
     
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    The long tail pair PI in the Bassman and Twin really make a big difference...no other tweeds do what they do. The middle ground output/tonewise is the late 50s fixed bias Pro/Super/Bandmaster circuit; not a bad place to hang.
     
  7. crunchman

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    I'm gonna do a 5E3, I guess a good pedal (Tech 21 etc) will have to do for now.

    I doubt I could really open up a Bassman very often, even the 5E3 will need scaling.

    Anyway.
     
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    A 5e3 can do the 5e3 thing and there's nothing wrong with that.
     
  9. crunchman

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    Yeah, I really don't know what I'm worried about !
     
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    Thanks pervin, I'll check that thread !
     
  12. socalscott

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    An EQ into the 5E3 will get you good results. EQ's seem a bit under rated.
     
  13. Muzzy

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    I use an EQ with mine. Love it.
     
  14. crunchman

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    I would assume you scoop the mids going in ?
     
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    ...exactly, along with lowering level per P90's and HB's. I get so much out of vintage single tone control amps with my 3 patch EQ. Including bypass, that's 4 settings. A clean slam to the pre's is wicked fun.
    I also at times use an old modeller for wetness and EQ.

    So yeah, lots of ground covered with a simple ole circuit.
     
  16. crunchman

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    what or which is a 3 patch EQ ?
     
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    Ive had great results with a 7 band EQ with my 5e3. For a great clean rhythm tone lower the 200 and 400 Hz one notch, and raise the 1.6 and 3.6 Khz by the same amount.

    If you raise and lower too much the sound becomes a bit unnatural,so subtlety gets the best results, and if your recording your lead parts will sit really well in the mix with the EQ switched off, as you get all your midrange back.

    I just cant get over how amazing this 5e3 Tweed is to record,(Jam with, practice,and rehearse) I wish Id discovered this amp 10 yrs ago, but didnt think that humbuckers and P90's would work that well with a Fender icon...Ah well better late than never eh ?
     
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    Its like coming full circle ! I still need my trannys and some small parts.I;m gonna go with the classic tone's and a power scaling kit.

    I have a 7-band Dano, think I will try the Barb-eq in time
     

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