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stevel

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These kinds of things drive me crazy. Even though I know they know what they're playing it just sounds "wrong" to me. It's like every single thing is on the wrong part of the beat. It's like not until measure 5 that I can finally tell where the beat is (and I've been playing many, many years, playing 7/8 and 15/16 meters, polyrhythms, etc.). There's this riff around 3:09 that also does the same thing.



Be honest. I know few will admit to saying it's confusing, but come on, it's confusing, right?

Steve
 

Carmour

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I can count a straight 4/4 beat in the bass and rhythm guitar patterns..

Still, that bit at 3:09 is confusing. Seems like they just dropped a beat in there somewhere.. I can't begin to explain it properly though haha :p
 

Neer

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I can count a straight 4/4 beat in the bass and rhythm guitar patterns..

Still, that bit at 3:09 is confusing. Seems like they just dropped a beat in there somewhere.. I can't begin to explain it properly though haha :p

At 3:09 and on it is just straight 4/4--the accents are what's throwing you off.
 

kimock

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That's salsa for you. .
It's two bar patterns of 16th notes in 2/4.

That "offbeat backbeat" sounding snare at the top is playing on the one of each measure.
Those are downbeats. .:messedup

1 e + a 2 e + a the whole song, 3-2 clave if that helps.
 

sergiodeblanc

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It's like a "United Colors of Benneton" version of caribbean music, if you get lost listen to the high hat like it's disco.
 

stevel

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Yeah, I know it's 4/4 throughout. Mt point is, when you hear the horn hits at the beginning, it takes a while to find the beat - doesn't it? Once the 2n pass comes along and there's a melody on the beat it makes sense - before that though...
 

jb70

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Yeah, I know it's 4/4 throughout. Mt point is, when you hear the horn hits at the beginning, it takes a while to find the beat - doesn't it? Once the 2n pass comes along and there's a melody on the beat it makes sense - before that though...
maybe the 1st time you listen to it but once you're familiar with the overall groove those horn accents in the beginning make perfect sense and are easy to place rhythmically
 

kimock

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Yeah, I know it's 4/4 throughout. Mt point is, when you hear the horn hits at the beginning, it takes a while to find the beat - doesn't it? Once the 2n pass comes along and there's a melody on the beat it makes sense - before that though...
It's in 2/4.
Check out Rebecca Mauleon's books, the Salsa Guidebook, and 101 Montunos.
Really cool books if you want to understand that style.
 
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Okay - here's the theory I have:

This is the first Jimmy Buffett I've ever really listened to and tried to analyze and I suspect they do it this way to make it a little more fun to play.

But Kimock's "1e and a 2e and a " make it a lot easier for me to get my head around.

it's not some complicated prog thing but syncopated straight beats can be awfully misleading.

Cool.
 

The Kid

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No problem for me with this, however I play a lot of Gospel music that has insanely syncopated hits. First you have to learn the lick, then you have to figure out how to put that lick where it goes.
 
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