Can you drop P90s into a humbucker route?

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  1. Gi-gi-giggity

    Gi-gi-giggity Member

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    I've never really thought about it, but if it can be done, I'd consider putting some nice P90s in my PRS.
    I'm thinking the hum route is too big though....

    Thanks.
     
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    not without dremel'ing out some of the wood. a p-90 is longer than a humbucker, but not as wide, so a (small) gap will show at the front &/or back of the pup. spacers will clear up that problem, tho.
     
  4. ddeand

    ddeand Silver Supporting Member

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    I had a set of Vintage Vibe humbucker-size P-90s that Pete Biltoft wound that were excellent. They were the smoothest, most toneful P-90s I've ever had. I wouldn't hesitate to use them again. Check them out at this link:

    http://www.vintagevibeguitars.com/

    Dean
     
  5. enharmonic

    enharmonic Old Growth Gold Supporting Member

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    HB sized P-90's are about the only way to go without routing out that guitar. The good news is that you have options :)

    Harmonic Design Z-90's
    Fralin P-92's
    Gibson P-94's
    There are a few others as well. There's one called a Fat Cat, and I think that Rio Grande does one too.
     
  6. TAVD

    TAVD Guitar Player Gold Supporting Member

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    +1 on the VV pickups. I have some in my Bolin guitar and they sound great.

    FWIW, Depending on how the cavity is cut, it's possible to modify (ie trim) the p-90 to fit, but I'm not suggesting you try.
     
  7. enharmonic

    enharmonic Old Growth Gold Supporting Member

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    Do you have one of those Bolin customs that look sort of like a LP that's had too many Twinkies? I am intrigued by that instrument...can't tell how big the body is from the pics, but it looks uber cool!
     
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    TAVD Guitar Player Gold Supporting Member

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    This picture really makes it look bloated. It's actually roughly the same size as a LP.

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    Edited for current picture
     
  9. JingleJungle

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    LOL...here we go again...
    I had already a P90 in HB format in the neck position of my Huber (korina semihollow body, neck, ebony fretboard, redwood top).
    Then I decided that I wanted to push the twang-envelope a bit and I installed another P90 HB in the bridge position. Whoa! It was a pleasant surprise, and actually sounded good despite the fact that I had left the 500k pots (coupled w/ korina for some it could be a tad too bright, but I liked it's "acoustic" effect).

    Today the last chapter of the transformation... I used the push-push selector that once would have split the bridg humbucker, to achieve series-parallel switching.

    Now I can go from P90 grind / twang to full power HB in any position by operating the push-push control. Since the p.ups (Haeussel) have a DC resistance in the region of 8.25k appx. I do get a very muscular, yet dynamic, HB tone.

    Since the mid position is noiseless - being that one of the 2 p.ups is RWRP - I can also use the guitar with plenty of distortion. The regular mid position (parallel) is lower in output and more transparent, perfect for arpeggiated intros à la Hells Bells, while the series position delivers a much heavier tone.

    Moreover the 500k pots allow me to get the extra top end / sizzle when needed (which otherwise would be lost with the more trditional 250k pots).

    Bottom line is that I really don't see any reason why you shouldn't try dropping some P90HBs in your fonky Bolin.
    Go for it and let us know just *how* happy you are once it's done :D :)

    JJ
     
  10. enharmonic

    enharmonic Old Growth Gold Supporting Member

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    I really love the looks of that guitar!. I must investigate further.
     
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    Another vote for Pete Biltoft at V V G
     
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    Troubleman Silver Supporting Member

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    +1 for Harmonic Design Z-90's. Turned my buddy's Gibson SG into a real screamer.

    jb
     
  13. Gi-gi-giggity

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    That's some good info guys, thanks for all of the help. I'm not real happy with the PUs in my CE-24 and I'm not really sure which route I would take to replace them. Part of me says to just put in a nice set of HBs that are akin to my taste/style (like I even know what that is anymore) and then I can buy another axe fitted with P90s. Then there's the choice of 2 or 3 P90s that I have to contend with.

    I have a good friend of mine that repairs/builds guitars that offered to cut a blank pick guard to fit two Gibson P90s that he has laying around and set it in a really clean Mexican Strat that he has. He told me that he would sell it for a really killer price. Funny thing is, that strat plays almost as good as any American Strat that I've played. He's got it dialed in quite nicely.
    Then I have another buddy that's looking to get rid of a mint Axis Sport w/P90s, but I'm not certain what he's asking. I like Ernie Ball though.

    Lots of choices, for sure.
     
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    mad dog Silver Supporting Member

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    I had the same question. Wanting to try P90s in an old 335, and wanting specifically to try Jason Lollar's p/us. He told me his won't fit. He doesn't make them in a smaller size, as he doesn't feel they sound the same. I am aware that other makers put out a HB size P90. So far, the ones I heard have not impressed me. (Unfortunately, I don't know which brands I heard!)
     
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    Lindy Fralin P-92's are what you need!
     
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    That guitar kinda has a shape reminiscent of an L5-S.
     
  18. GlueMan

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    I'm thinking about doing the same thing myself with the Fralin P-92s into a Joe Pass Epiphone. However, with the Fralin's they ask you to specify the wind count. Can anyone suggest wind counts for this type of guitar (hollow body).
     
  19. jennis

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    I've been lurking, but this is a topic near to my heart, as I can't seem to settle with neck humbuckers. I have tried the Gibson P94, the HD Z90s and the Duncan Phat Cats. The P94 did the trick but was a bit dark for my taste. The Z90s were hot and hifi (though there may be hotter true p90s out there) and were a great improvement in the japanese 335 copy I put them in. I sold the guitar to the other guitar player in my band, regretfully with the Z90s...he has great clean funk and rock tone with that guitar. I was then inspired to put Duncan Phat Cats in my old Ibanez 335...perfect! Perhaps a bit sweeter than a real P90, but sparkly 3D good for everything from rockabilly to blues to funk to rock. I just bought another set :) ! I think all three are an improvement over humbuckers for most uses except perhaps the classic LP/Marshall classic rock tone. Good hunting, James.
     
  20. JingleJungle

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    Best,

    JJ
     

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