Can't you hear me knockin'...

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  1. MTN

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    Here's my theory. Mick T may very well have "started" the jam- his guitar on the L channel is the only thing that plays a D chord at the end of the first part of the song. Then there's some clatter in the studio as people are in varying stages of taking their instruments off/putting them back on, and eventually we get back into the Dm jam part that we hear in the second part of the recording of the song.

    They probably overdubbed some parts (including the sliding 7ths) to mask the clatter and bridge the two sections, as we hear on the recording.
     
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    That's where I'm going. BTW, I've played this song a ton over the years. The intro to the second section is very easy to play in standard tuning. I don't understand the posters who have stated it's difficult to play unless in open G. Also Richards quote talks about "they kept on going", not "I kept on going" at the beginning of section II. After 4:30 you hear a change. As far as left/right stereo channels, well, the engineer would naturally split Taylor's rhythm part from his overdubbed lead, no?
     
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    I seriously doubt his lead was overdubbed.
     
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    Its easy to play in standard, but it’s not easy to play it the way it is on the album in standard. There are drone open D strings all over the place.

    Listen under the sax solo. It’s a cool part.

    There’s playing, and there’s playing it right. You can play Wild Horses in standard, too...
     
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    If anything sounds overdubbed it’s that first guitar in section II.
     
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    Well, I guess we'll never know for sure until someone lays it all out.
     
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    This is fun.
     
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    Sounds very similar in essence (and tone) to the riffing KR did on "Monkey Man." And I can't imagine why they would have flipped MT over to the right side of the mix just for that one bit.
     
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    One of my all-time favorite Stones tracks from their greatest era. And that tone... omg. You definitely *can* do it with a Tele and a Champ.
     
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    One of my all time fav songs. You can get in the ballpark with a Firebird. I’m playing it through a trashy little amp here.


     
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    Amen + 1,000
     
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    It’s a very Keith lick, at that. Same ballpark as the bridge in “If You Can’t Rock Me.”

    Not to mention, Keith plays it live, even when Mick is there.
     
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    Funny u mention that, as CYHMK and monkey man are probably y 2 fav stones songs.
     
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    Regarding Keith and amps and recording, I recall old interviews where he indicated he liked to often track with a larger amp feeding a smaller amp and blend them together. The larger amp would be cleaner with better articulation and the smaller amp would be pushed and overdriven. Not sure if this technique was used on Knockin'. I recall he said he blew up a lot of smaller amps using this method.
     
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    I'm confident that guitar part is overdubbed.
     
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    Okay, how do you play the intro to the second section? Because I bet it's wrong. I'll bet cold hard cash that, on the recording, it's an open G guitar playing:

    E -------------------------------------------------------------
    A ----9-10--------------------12--------12------9--10------
    D ---10-11---10-11-----12--------12-----------10-11------
    G -------------11-12-----12--------12-----------------------
    B -------------------------------------------------------------
    E -------------------------------------------------------------

    Repeated a few times over.
     
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    This how it is played (simply) in standard tuning. Simple. I don't know who played it, but it CAN be played, simply, in standard tuning. You don't need to be in open G to make this riff sound correct, because this is what's played.


    E -----------------------------------------------------------
    B -----------------------------------------------------------
    G ----------------10-11----12------12--------------------
    D ----9-10-------11-12----12------12---9-10------------
    A ----8--9-----------------------10-------8--9------------
    E -----------------------------------------------------------
     
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    Yeah, you CAN play it like that, but then you have a problem- how do you get the D-drone that the rhythm guitar plays next? There's no way that guitar on the record is in standard tuning.
     
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    It's a Dm chord, played in the fifth position. I don't know what drone you're talking about. The predominant high note of the arpeggio is an F, played on the sixth fret, second string, which can be done easily in standard or open tuning. Also fairly interesting, at around 4:25 the tone changes back to a tone similar to the opening riff (although played with a lighter touch)and whoever's playing (Richards, I assume) just starts vamping on a modal D, leaving out the minor third.

    Look, I don't care one way or the other, it probably is Richard's all along, but if you really listen to it, maybe Taylor's memory is correct and this "ending" was more "created" than anyone has let on in the Stones camp.
     

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