Carol Ann Amps - Thread XVII

EMG77

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Okay, so it's been talked about a thousand times before... :D

What speaker(s) are you using for your OD models? I've been using a CL80 with my OD-2r. Very "well-defined" speaker, that is, it keeps the notes crisp and clear, even under heavy overdrive. I think it pairs well. Wondering what others use (and why).
Well for me. I really like the Scumback J75 for both the Tucana 3 and Triptik2. Others I tried were Scumback H75's, Celestion M65's creambacks, Vintage 30's and Greenbacks.
 
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Okay, so it's been talked about a thousand times before... :D

What speaker(s) are you using for your OD models? I've been using a CL80 with my OD-2r. Very "well-defined" speaker, that is, it keeps the notes crisp and clear, even under heavy overdrive. I think it pairs well. Wondering what others use (and why).
WGS 12L. They let the amp shine through but have a touch of British flavour. No piercing highs or speaker break up either. Just the amp.
 

hurtwoodec

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Pete, I have tried a few other speakers, to me the EVs were the best all around match, meaning the feel, transparency, and low to loud volume were glorious.
I agree wholeheartedly. The only speaker to perhaps pip the Evm12L at the post would be the Scholz Classic aka Sugarcone imho.
 

Miroslav L

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Pete, I have tried a few other speakers, to me the EVs were the best all around match, meaning the feel, transparency, and low to loud volume were glorious.
OK...so it's mostly the transparency that you think sets the 12L apart from other choices...?
I dunno...I had one last year...I thought it was sounded pretty good, but I just didn't get any sense of it being a superior choice to some of the other speakers I am now using, having sold the 12L...and all I could think of that might have given it a higher rating (IMO) was it's ability to be transparent...
...but to me, that wasn't/isn't a real goal.

I mean...I don't feel that the other speakers I'm using, that I preferred to the 12L...in any way diminish the CA amps. Granted, if you absolutely don't want to hear the speaker, only the amp...then it's a good choice, as it will do that...but when I'm trying out speakers with a given amp, I'm looking for the speaker(s) that will actually extend the beauty of the amp's tones, in conjunction with a given cabinet, and I feel then that the whole combination is greater than the sum of its parts.

To me...going with the 12L (or similar "transparent" speaker) simply eliminates one of those parts from the whole, which again, is just a matter of choice...but I like working the equation to bring the sum of the amp, cab, speaker, together as a unit...and with certain speakers, the tones of the amp can be heightened, extended.
I guess what I am saying is that the 12L just didn't do it for me. :p
 

DiPa

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OK...so it's mostly the transparency that you think sets the 12L apart from other choices...?
I dunno...I had one last year...I thought it was sounded pretty good, but I just didn't get any sense of it being a superior choice to some of the other speakers I am now using, having sold the 12L...and all I could think of that might have given it a higher rating (IMO) was it's ability to be transparent...
...but to me, that wasn't/isn't a real goal.

I mean...I don't feel that the other speakers I'm using, that I preferred to the 12L...in any way diminish the CA amps. Granted, if you absolutely don't want to hear the speaker, only the amp...then it's a good choice, as it will do that...but when I'm trying out speakers with a given amp, I'm looking for the speaker(s) that will actually extend the beauty of the amp's tones, in conjunction with a given cabinet, and I feel then that the whole combination is greater than the sum of its parts.

To me...going with the 12L (or similar "transparent" speaker) simply eliminates one of those parts from the whole, which again, is just a matter of choice...but I like working the equation to bring the sum of the amp, cab, speaker, together as a unit...and with certain speakers, the tones of the amp can be heightened, extended.
I guess what I am saying is that the 12L just didn't do it for me. :p
Yeah as well as the range, low to very high volumes, which is key sonically, and yeah I guess I am looking for the speaker/ cab system that magnifies and brings out the guitar/amp with zero color, I want the guitar and amp to be projected in that system exactly as it’s coming out. I did try some other speakers, and I could not bond with. The OD2 having the huge cleans and great over drive is key to be transported sonically as close as one can get.
 

Mikeroesoft

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OK...so it's mostly the transparency that you think sets the 12L apart from other choices...?
I dunno...I had one last year...I thought it was sounded pretty good, but I just didn't get any sense of it being a superior choice to some of the other speakers I am now using, having sold the 12L...and all I could think of that might have given it a higher rating (IMO) was it's ability to be transparent...
...but to me, that wasn't/isn't a real goal.

I mean...I don't feel that the other speakers I'm using, that I preferred to the 12L...in any way diminish the CA amps. Granted, if you absolutely don't want to hear the speaker, only the amp...then it's a good choice, as it will do that...but when I'm trying out speakers with a given amp, I'm looking for the speaker(s) that will actually extend the beauty of the amp's tones, in conjunction with a given cabinet, and I feel then that the whole combination is greater than the sum of its parts.

To me...going with the 12L (or similar "transparent" speaker) simply eliminates one of those parts from the whole, which again, is just a matter of choice...but I like working the equation to bring the sum of the amp, cab, speaker, together as a unit...and with certain speakers, the tones of the amp can be heightened, extended.
I guess what I am saying is that the 12L just didn't do it for me. :p
The EVM12L became popular with CA users a long time ago when Alan’s flagship was the OD2 amp. There was no Triptik and the Tucana was pretty new. From what I understand, the Trip and the Tuc are much less picky when it comes to speaker options. With the 100w version of the OD2, there weren’t many speaker options in a 1x12 or even 2x12 format. That amp made most speakers cry. With the 50w and OD2r versions, there were a few more options, but not many. From what I recall, for the 50w model, the CL80, EVM12, KTS70, Jensen Blackbird and Scholtz Sugarcone were pretty much it. There could have been 1 or 2 others but I don’t recall at this time.

It’s also true that the EVM12L became popular with CA users because it was Alan’s recommendation and from there is has become the default speaker recommendation for the CA line.

The EVM12L is a love it or leave it speaker. It’s not for everyone. I prefer the KTS70 because it has some of the attributes I like from the EVM12L while having a decent ‘brittish’ voice to it as well. But for a 200w speaker, the EV is nice and articulate, punchy, clean and reliable. There really isn’t any thing else like it.
 

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With the 50w and OD2r versions, there were a few more options, but not many. From what I recall, for the 50w model, the CL80, EVM12, KTS70, Jensen Blackbird and Scholtz Sugarcone were pretty much it.
With the OD-2r, I’m using a CL80. Would I hear a big difference with the EVM12?
 

rawkguitarist

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@rawkguitarist I forgot to ask you...do you have any gutshot from that amp? It would be nice to see the caps used, resistors, etc. Thank you again!
Yeah - I'll respect Alan's wishes on that. PLUS - I'm not sure I have to time to pull it apart. Life is busy when you have 3 really serious hobbies with 2 of them making you some side hustle $$$.
 

Miroslav L

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The EVM12L is a love it or leave it speaker.
I guess it's a "leave it" for me....not saying that in a bad way, just that I don't feel the 12L "gushing". :)

AFA what the CA need a 12L because other speakers couldn't handle them...mmm...I dunno, maybe at some earlier point...but more recently, the Avatar/Fane H75 does a great job, the Celestion Redbacks are not showing any problems, the WGS British Series also...and IMO, I like their sounds better with the various CA amps I have. They extend the amp's tones, each in their own way...with the WGS British Seris being the most "transparent"...but different than the 12L was.
Plus...none of them weigh a ton! :p
 
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Mikeroesoft

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There is an interesting phenomena happening with the 'boutique' amp business. A its become oversaturated.
With the OD-2r, I’m using a CL80. Would I hear a big difference with the EVM12?
There would likely be some difference between the two. I don't have much experience with either the OD2r nor the CL80 to be honest. The thing to remember is that it's going to be a matter of personal preference. Some great guitar players are going to prefer the EV and other great guitar players are going to like the CL80. Neither one is "better". If you've got the CL80 in a 1x12 and you like it, I wouldn't recommend you go out of your way to acquire an EV speaker. If you get the chance to try it out and it turns out that you like the EV, then at that point I'd recommend you get one haha! The EV is quite a bit heavier and may even require a new cab or cab modifications if you don't already have 8 mounting screws in your current cab.

How do you find the CL80 with your amp? Are you looking for more efficiency? More highs? More lows? Less mids? Or are you just looking for a different flavor?
 

Mikeroesoft

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I guess it's a "leave it" for me....not saying that in a bad way, just that I don't feel the 12L "gushing". :)

AFA what the CA need a 12L because other speakers couldn't handle them...mmm...I dunno, maybe at some earlier point...but more recently, the Avatar/Fane H75 does a great job, the Celestion Redbacks are not showing any problems, the WGS British Series also...and IMO, I like their sounds better with the various CA amps I have. They extend the amp's tones, each in their own way...with the WGS British Seris being the most "transparent"...but different than the 12L was.
Plus...none of them weigh a ton! :p
That's right, there are more speaker options available now!
 

Mikeroesoft

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I’m running my 10th into a 212 with a Redback Cream 90 combo. Sounds pretty dang good.
I had an alnico Cream and didn't care for it on its own in the 1x12 I have. It sounded incredible paired with an KTS70 in my 2x12 but if I pushed the cab hard, I got some conflicting frequencies coming out of it so put the other KTS70 back in. Now I'm on the hunt for an Elgante because I am haunted by what the cream alnico brought to the clean/edge of break up tone.
 




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