Carol Ann OD-2 tones

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  1. JoeBob

    JoeBob Supporting Member

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    Can you point out the tonal different between the 6L6 and EL34 in this
    particular amp ?

    Also difference between the 50 watts and 100 watts ?
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    Carol-AnnAmps Gold Supporting Member

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    The 100 is louder than the 50 !! I get asked this question probably about 10 times a week and I have defaulted to that answer because it difficult to describe feel.............actually apply the differences of any 50 vs 100....just the same. You either like 50's or you like 100's....or you like both. THe 50 is better if you play smaller rooms in general. It has a smaller soundstage, which for most of us most of the time means we can get closer to the sweet spot without the sound guy complaining too much.
    If you just play at home, the reality is the 100 is a complete and utter waste of a great amp to be honest, unless you have a soundproofed room and can get the most from it. For home playing the OD2r is a better option if you can live withouit an efx loop, though very shortly we are releasing an OD2r with an efx loop.....but it will only run 6V6 tubes. I've had a lot of pressure from people about such a model.

    6L6 vs EL34. Cleans are cleaner and more 'zingy' on the 6L6. OD has better note seperation, but not as tight as the EL34. Cleans on the EL34 are more foccused, as is the OD. The 6L6 is in my opinion a better general purpose amp, but the EL34 is better at classic to modern rock, so for my style I tend to prefer it.
    6L6 is usually better in a one guitar band, EL34 seems to work better in a 2 guitar band....again a reason I prefer it in my own band.
     
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    Carol-AnnAmps Gold Supporting Member

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    Good place to get opinions from end users is actually on this site on the 'Carol-Ann Roll Call 2' thread. I try answer all the questions in there directly. It's a friendly thread.
    Being a Manufacturer, I have to watch what I post outside the Mans. dedicated forums, but because the questions in that thread are all CA related, I can answer them without breaking any rules.
     
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    Great Alan !!! i will read the thread and thanks for your time.
     
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    Check out part 1 of that thread as well. It's locked now but easily found. Lots of great info in that one too.
     
  6. JoeBob

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    A question about the od-2r, 18/30 watts, does that apply to
    6l6's or 6v6' and what's the wattage when you swap for the other type
    of tubes ?

    Can someone point out a thread about the od-2r for more
    infos ???
     
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    This does not help at all. In my mind its perfectly logical how I could really use all three. Thanks for the extra GAS attack. And to top it off...OD2r with the loop for lower volume playing. :drool
     
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    Carol-AnnAmps Gold Supporting Member

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    18 with 6V's, 30(ish) with 6L's.....though on some it gets closer to 40 on others 27, depends on the tubes and how I like the amp when I build it. In reality there is very little perceived volume difference even between 18W and 40W.
     
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    For the love of God, this doesn't help at all either.
    The one and only thing that was keeping me from buying a OD2r is the lack of a loop.
    Great, now I need a OD2r, 6L6 OD2 and a Revo.
     
  10. JoeBob

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    I've been doing some cab/speakers testing with the od-2r !!!

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    So i wanna share my appreciations of the OD-2R with a few different
    configurations. I used a strat with S/S/H pickups. The OD-2r have 4 X 6v6's
    and no effect loop.Small club volume.

    Clean channel, from best to worst:

    1-Divided by 13 2x12 open back with a Celestion blue and
    a ASW kt-70's. Nice overhall, gorgeous shimmering cleans with punch !!!

    2-Marshall 4X12 from the 70's with 4 X Celestions blackback from
    the same year. Really fat without having too much bass, a little bright.

    3-Marshall 4X10 model 1965A with the stock Celestions 10'' speakers.
    I'm really impress with that little cab.

    4-Two-Rock signature 2X12 cab with their 65-16's speakers.
    The cab seems ok, it tune in the low-mids freq. I think those speakers
    are too dark for my ears.

    5-Marshall 2X12 model JCM900 lead-1936 with 2 Eminence Governors.
    Way too bright, no punch !!!

    Dirty channel:

    1-Divided by 13 2x12 open back with a Celestion blue and
    a ASW kt-70's.
    2-Marshall 4X10 model 1965A with the stock Celestions 10'' speakers.
    3-Marshall 4X12 from the 70's with 4 X Celestions blackback from
    the same year.
    4-Two-Rock sgnature 2X12 cab with their 65-16's speakers.
    5-Marshall 2X12 model JCM900 lead-1936 with 2 Eminence Governors.

    IMO the amp seems to favor Celestions speakers but the KT-70 with the Blue
    was killer !!!
    Today i was really into the dirty channel, it's a great great amp !!!!!
    Alan you did a wonderful job !!!
     
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    So I can send you my current OD2r to have a loop installed ???? :D

    and yeah, my OD2 -100 was total unuseable overkill for my own situation, but damn did it sound KILLER when rattling the windows....
     
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    Thanks for the input. I own a OD-2R and am currenntly playing it with a single ASW kt-70 which is great sounding. But I own the same divided by 13 cab I see you have. So I will have to try it with a Blue and ASW.
     
  13. Carol-AnnAmps

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    Sorry bro, not something I want to do, this is a complete redesign of the circuit to allow for the loop. It would be expensive and the most restictive part, very time consuming for me to retro-fit an original OD2r. It would essentially need completely stripping out, rewiring and a complete new main board fitting. It would actually take as long as building a new amp.
     
  14. JoeBob

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    Let us know how you like it !!!
     
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    bummer. oh well, she gets it in the front end then.....:p
     

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