Carr Rambler question...Very Treble-y?

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  1. Muttlyboy

    Muttlyboy Member

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    Hi Everybody,
    I have a question for Carr Rambler owners...
    I recently got myself a used Rambler from the Emporium.

    From everything that I've read, the Rambler is a design based somewhat on a Princeton Reverb.

    While this amp has a certain character that I like, it seems to be VERY Treble-y

    To get the general tone in the Blackface ballpark, I've set the treble completely off and the midrange at about 1 O'clock, and Bass at about 9 O'clock...

    And the amp is still pretty bright.

    Is this typical for this amp?

    Thanks
     
  2. Powderfinger

    Powderfinger Gold Supporting Member

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    Not for me. What speaker do you have?
     
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  3. TCMx3

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    hmm, it's a bright amp for sure but not that bright.

    might be a speaker thing? what do you have in there?
     
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  4. Muttlyboy

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    Carr Elsinore speaker that I just got to put in the amp.

    It came with a Celestion A Type.

    I also put in a fresh pair of TAD 6L6 WGC tubes as recommended by Carr Amps
     
  5. slider313

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    Something doesn't sound right. Did it sound that way before you removed the speaker and replaced the power tubes? Have you checked the preamp tubes?
     
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  6. thechamp

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    Celestion A Type and -10v off the wall current fixed all my “too bright” problems
     
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  7. Muttlyboy

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    I just tried swapping out a couple known good 12ax7's in the V1 position and also V3.

    The amp came with a Celestion A Type... I feel like the Elsinore has a different midrange character but with either speaker the amp is very bright...much brighter than any Fender Blackface amps that I've tried.

    Also when I got the amp, it had a pair of JJ 6L6's, so I put in the pair of TAD 6L6 WGC tubes which are the tubes that Carr sends the amp out with.

    The TAD's have a nice warm character in other amps
     
  8. Muttlyboy

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    I'm not particularly into reverb, but this amp has a very nice reverb and the Trem is pretty nice as well
     
  9. Muttlyboy

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    Also, the amp doesn't seem to break-up much until it's cranked up almost all the way
     
  10. nic'o'caster

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    No, not normal !
    Is the treble pot really working ?
     
  11. Muttlyboy

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    Treble pot definitely works...goes from Treble-y to way too Treble-y
     
  12. Muttlyboy

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    Do you guys have a setting in which you would say the amp is voiced like a Blackface?
     
  13. nic'o'caster

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    I like this method :
    0. choose Pentode mode
    1. set Treble, Middle and Bass pots to zero (no sound from the amp)
    2. set volume to near max (still no sound from the amp)
    3. now gently bring Treble and Bass to the spot where it sounds good to you (here very close to the Blackface tone)
    4. bring a little bit of the Middle to the balance and you're done

    And remember, the Rambler is not a Fender clone, you won't get the immediacy and exact glassiness of a Deluxe Reverb. More the sound of a Princeton that would sound bigger and richer (more 3D) !

    If you can't make your Rambler sound good, then it definitely has a problem.
     
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  14. Dynamic

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    Im currently shopping for a rambler vs tone kig vs Fender delux handwired etc. The new rambler I played here in nyc 2 days ago was not overly trebly at all...full and extremely rich NOT FENDERISH AT ALL in my opinion...it has its own character and mojo...GREAT AMP
     
  15. Muttlyboy

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    What store in NYC has a Rambler?
    I need to check out one that's known to be operating properly
     
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  16. Bluewail

    Bluewail Tone curmudgeon Silver Supporting Member

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    Something is wrong. A Rambler is not normally as bright as a Princeton. Send it to Steve.
     
  17. heavyrebel

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    Fun trick.
     
  18. HotBluePlates

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    You asked the same question about the same amp over here and didn't reply when several techs told you to look at the bright cap on the amp's Volume control.

    Does your amp have a bright cap on the Volume pot? Is it 47pF as suggested by the schematic fragment linked on the other thread? It might be good to confirm/deny some of the things talked about in that other thread, before you go chasing your tail with other "fixes"...
     
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  19. Dynamic

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    rudys of course!!! the only Carr dealer since Ludlow closed down...
     
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  20. Muttlyboy

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    I was out for a bit....

    So, I opened up the amp and yeah there's a 47pf cap across the volume pot. I clipped it.

    Still too bright. It has this upper high thing that needs to be shaved off...reminds me of of a Vox with the cut control set full counter clockwise.

    Next step is I have a speaker laying around that always thought was too dull
     

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