casino new vs. vintage

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  1. chenette

    chenette Supporting Member

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    Hi I'm a massive beatles fan and I have been really gassing for a casino.
    I can afford the epiphone elitist or maybe even the Lennon model but a vintage one or an gibson 330 would require me to save for a few more years. What should I do? Opinions please.

    How does the elitist compare to the lennon model and how do they compare to vintage ones?
     
  2. motorcitychick

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    I have one of the John Lennon ones #82 in the sunburst. I love that guitar. If you go for vintage, be prepared to maybe have some work done on it. Old guitars at times have iusses that can be costly and who cares if the guitar is 40 years old or new. It is the player that will make the guitar rock!:dude:banana
     
  3. mainsale

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    I'm very pleased with my Casino Elite but if I could find a nice vintage Casino or ES 330 I would cetrainly prefer to have that.

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  4. chenette

    chenette Supporting Member

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    That elite looks really nice, any other opinions?
     
  5. Rockinrob86

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    the elitist or the john lennon ones are the only way to go for a new guitar, but 60s gibson es330s can be found somewhat cheaply sometimes. I have seen them go for 2000-2500 or so. Very recently they were still 1500 guitars, but the secret got out of the bag, so now the average is more like 3500. If you shop you can find a deal though, and of course those 60's gibsons are hard to beat.
     
  6. Jagsound

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    The only bad thing that can happen to the Casino/ES-330 over time is the neck angle starts to rise which is major surgery to fix and stuffs up the vintage value as well. It takes a long time though, and maybe some abuse and bad conditions that the guitar lived in make it worse. Also it would need someone good to do the work. This can happen to many guitars actually but I think it might be a bit worse with the fully hollow ones?

    Having said that I have a 62 Casino and it's fine, but will need a fret job, well, it could do with one now but I wont let it be done until it can't be played anymore. The guy that did the most recent fret dress said the neck was up very slightly, but it wasn't a problem, and hey it's 46 years old!

    Played an Elitist and thought it was great - really nice guitar. And isn't there some US made Epiphones built in small numbers from time to time? The vintage sound really only comes from an old guitar, but it's a small difference and the thing is, once you get a few effects in-line and a loud amp that's pretty much lost. Playability could be really bad if you got a worn out vintage guitar, so definitely don't buy vintage unless you can play it first.
     
  7. pacomc79

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    The original casino's I've played have been better than the 330's I've run across IMHO but those are just the ones I've been able to play. Most of the 330's needed new nuts and they would be fine.

    It just depends really on what you want and what you can find. I think the new elitists are very good... if you can find an original casino and it's not a total rip off money wise go for it. The elitists are a nice value though... you may end up swapping the electronics on whatever guitar you buy.

    Most "vintage guitars" are going to need some work as said earlier to be good players.

    I'm not sure there's really all that much difference between the Lennons and the Elitists... at best it's marginal and they are cashing in a bit on the legacy and paying Yoko and giving some to charity.... They are also more rare so if you're a collector.... you might be more apt to get the Lennon model, but nothing is wrong with any choice you would make really. They all play splendidly and sound great when they are properly setup.

    The thing to keep in mind with the vintage models is that prior to 1970 the headstock angle was different and I believe some had spruce tops. So they sounded a bit different than the ones that are laminated maple like they are today.

    Johns may have been maple I think that's what his models are made of.... also they remove the pickguard like he did and they add Gold Grovers... so yeah even John Lennon got annoyed by those stupid "vintage style" tuning machines.
     
  8. Pa'ani

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    Cool guitar, it has that classic vintage look...
     
  9. Jagsound

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    Epiphone production was moved to Japan in 1970 wasn't it? I had a 70's Riviera and it was a nice guitar but these vintage Japanese models should be cheaper than the USA vintage models. Just something to watch out for when you're buying because anything older than 1987 is advertised as vintage these days, and I don't think that's what you're after. I would guess that a regular 1987 Epiphone Casino would have been made in Korea?
     
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    Not saying they are as nice as the old ones or the elitists but the regular korean made casinos are pretty nice if you swap out the pups, tuners, pots and toggle. Figure about $300 worth of new parts and you have a very playable guitar. The poor mans casino.
     
  11. stratotonedude

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    I have an ES-330. I like it alot.
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  12. Jagsound

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    That is in beautiful condition! 1961?
     
  13. musicofanatic5

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    I had an Elite like Mainsale's and it was very nice. The neck was like the best of the early sixties gibsons; wide f.b, and nice, full, rounded back of the neck. I put Fralins and new pots/jack/switch in. Additionally, I know many pro gtrists (Duke Robillard for example) who love the ko-ree-un Casinos. I have played many sixties Casinos and 330s with that awful narrow/chunky neck, so unless you like a 1 1/2" wide nut, beware of those.
     

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