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I've read some stuff about the Eminence Red Coat speakers being better than Celestions. Anyone have some tone comparison feedback?
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granite,granite said:Tone comparisons is so subjective. I was in the Celestion camp forever until I started hearing the buzz around the new Eminence Red Coat & Patriot speaker lines. There are a lot of great speaker clips in the member sound clips area and after a lot of reseach I settled on a Red Fang / Wizard in a 2x12 cab. Sonically, similar to a Cel Blue & a G12H30 pairing only better sounding to my ears. I think the Cel Blue is still tops, but the Red Fang is so close and ALOT less expensive that I can't see how anyone would spend the extra dough on a Cel Blue. I'm fully in the Eminence camp now.
I've heard that the Eminence Legend G12B is "warmer" than a G12H30, for whatever that's worth.timc said:Again, very subjective, but I've heard that emmi's in general are brighter due to design and the builder than the celestions. Any truth from experience?
One person's "focused" is another person's "narrow" and one person's "spread out" could be another's "3-D or full". It really depends on the style of music you play, your amp, and what you are using for reference tones.Passenger84 said:I used to be fully into Eminence, especially because of the fact that they're made in the US. But lately, I've gone over to Celestion, even though I'm quite sure the ones I currently have were made in China. It seems to me (as of today, we'll see where my opinion lies next week hehe) that the Celestions have a more "focused" tone, where as Eminence are a bit more "spread out". Does anyone else seem to hear this?
+1 :Spankgranite said:One person's "focused" is another person's "narrow" and one person's "spread out" could be another's "3-D or full". It really depends on the style of music you play, your amp, and what you are using for reference tones.
For me, many of the Celestion models sounded harsh and narrow. I was looking for a more spread out/ 3D Full type of tone and the Eminence Fang/Wizard combo fit my needs to a tee. Celestion speakers fit other people's needs. Hard to say which is "best", but I really believe Celestion made a huge error moving most of their production to China. Worse thing they could do IMHO. Eminence is capitalizing on Celestion's bad business move.
Yes we still make a number of models in the UK....Heritage Series (G12H, G12M, G12-65), Blues, the new Gold (50 watt "Blue" launched at NAMM), Century, and other occasional fun projects.keith_t4e said:I appreciate the person who broke camp because of Celestions being made in China; however, certain models are still being made in UK right?
I've always been a celestion guy though many of the cabs I'm interested in now are going with em.
I thought this was bang on.j37nm said:The eminence red coat speakers have a better & more extended "high end." The red coat "low end" is less prominent than celestion speakers. The eminence models (i.e. wizard, texas, etc) with "aggressive bass" are only on par with the bass of a standard celestion v30, classic lead 80, etc. At least this is my perception when comparing the low end. The mid range is comparable between both models. Overall, this gives the impression, at least to my ears, that the eminence models are clearer.
This is especially true with clean guitar tones. The eminence red coat speakers blow away the celestions for clean tone. Hands down, my choice is the eminence for clean tone. If you play clean style jazz, country, classical, blues, rockabilly, etc; I think the eminence is much better.
The eminence red coat speakers have a different "grit." It is a little stiffer than the celestion grit. For some styles (especially for lead guitar work), this stiffer grit is very musical. For distorted guitar chording & rhythm playing, the celestions grit is more "open," sounding compared to the red coats. My opinion is that the celestions are a bit better sounding for this distorted riffing (hard rock & metal especially). Overall, distorted guitar sounds are a bit smoother through the celestions when compared to the eminence. At least, this is my opinion.
As always, this depends on many factors (guitar, pick up, amp, power tube, cabinet, playing style, preference). YMMV
I have a Carr Rambler and have considered upgrading the speaker with either a Celeston Blue or maybe a Heritage greenback. But have considered the Eminence speakers too, would love some input here. I have read the blues sound great at low volume levels too.ThanksGretschman said:I buy both . I just purchased 32 Eminence speakers today . I still buy Celestion speakers as well . Let your ears do the talking for you . I bought 10 celestion blues about 3 months ago . I plan on buying 12 Heritage speakers .
There is a " Best " speaker for every amp and guitar sound , the thing is , you are the one in charge of desideing which one is the best.
Let me address the China thing for a moment . I have tested the Celestion Green backs in the studio . China VS Britan . There is no difference . Same tone , same range , NO difference .
I love the Celestion Blues , the Green Backs and the Heritage series speakers .
I also love Eminence Swampthang , Cannabas Rex , The Red White & Blue, The Texas Heat, Red Fang & Ram rod .
The reason is, I own 26 different Amps and each one has a " Best " tone .
I have to please very tuff customers tonally . So I need to find that tone , and part of the way I acheive that is with speakers .
This coming year the good folks at Eminence will launch a new program .
They will have Master Dealers across the country putting in a speakers switching network . Here you will be able to test all their speakers one at a time useing your favorite amp and guitar . This is the way it should be !
Best of luck ,