Classic 30 needs a new speaker...

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  1. rogue.guineapig

    rogue.guineapig Member

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    just bought a mid 90s Classic 30 on el 'bayo...


    the speaker has no markings, I assume it's
    nothing special.
    I like a good clean and dirty blues tone, maybe not as
    spanky as SRV, more like a claptonish tone.
    I play church stuff so it needs to be diverse as a bluesy toned speaker.
    If you had $75-$100 to stick in a classic 30,
    what speaker, and WHY?
    thanks!
    r.gp
     
  2. dk123123dk

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    Hellatone 30, because thats a nice speaker. And I like the g12h30 tone.

    dk
     
  3. Ramblin390

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    greenback, I thought the g12h30 sounded like crap on the od channel
     
  4. xStonr

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    Check out those warehouse speakers. Clones of all our favorites at a decent price. I got a used Weber Blue Dog for my C30 and I have a 2x12 with Greenbacks that I use also.
     
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    A big +1. But make sure to spend about 50 hours breaking that sucker in. It's shrill at first and then suddenly.....like buttah.
     
  6. rogue.guineapig

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    where does one buy a hellatone?
    also, why do I not hear any love for any Eminence speakers?
    Not enough replies yet? :)
     
  7. RockDC

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    In the Classic 30 I like Greenbacks for good speaker drive, G12H30's for the rock tone, and V30's for a more modern feel. I did not like the Alnico Blue and thought the Gold speaker was overkill on an amp that cost less than the speaker. I never tried warehouse but hear they are great as well as hellatone.
     
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    You buy hellatone right from Avatar

    http://www.avatarspeakers.com/

    or ebay.
     
  9. Craftmatic

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    Or get it for less from Avatar direct on eBay. Won mine in an auction for $66 last year on a quiet winter night when everyone else was sleeping. I've tried a ton of speakers in my C30 and once the G12H30 (Hellatone 30) was fully broken in I decided it would never come out of that amp. I'm tempted to buy another one to break in for my MAZ Sr.
     
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    I have a G12H30 for my MAz Jr. I love it. I got to play one with a Celestion Gold once... that was heavenly but I think I'll stick to my $60 speaker and let my buddy keep his $350 one.
     
  11. rogue.guineapig

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    so...reading this right...

    hellatone is just a broken in and slightly modded Celestion?
    That being said...would I go with a 30 or is the power
    of the amp and the speaker rating too close?
    I used to work with car stereos...the amp was always supposed
    to be higher power rated (peak) then the speakers.
    At least that's what my boss told me. :rolleyes:
    yall seem to love that hellatone a lot! :)
    What resistance for the Classic 30? 8 or 16 ohms?
     
  12. NortheastHick

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    16 ohm..I wouldnt feel safe with a 30 watter in there. Especially if you tend to crank amps as i do. FWIW, I put a v30 in mine and love the difference over stock.
     
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    Yes, but i think the hellatone version is even cheaper, and it is the same speaker that has been broken in..The 60 watter..
     
  15. The Pup

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    I've had a Weber Blue Dog in mine for well over 10 years...it is a perfect match.

    16-ohm AlNiCo 30w no dope.
     
  16. Craftmatic

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    The Hellatone 30 is just a broken in G12H30 70th Anniversary and I think the cone is chemically treated to soften it; but it is not in any way modded. He breaks them in by playing music through them, I think, for 15 hours. Read the description on eBay and Avatar's website. The G12H30 will definitely handle the Classic 30. Celestion, like many companies, underrate the wattage. Dr. Z puts uses the G12H30 as a stock speaker in the MAZ Sr. which is rated at 38 watts and way louder than the Classic 30. I spoke to him about them blowing and he said he's never had a customer complaint about that.

    The Vintage 30 (Hellatone 60) has been described by many, many people as being harsh in that the higher mids are very peaky. Speak to Dave at Avatar - the G12H30 is his favorite speaker. Scumback H speakers are based on the original Pre-Rola G12H30 (Pre-Rola is like Pre-CBS Fender - Rola bought out Celestion in the 60's, or early 70's and started cutting corners). The G12H30 is a very musical speaker, with a very wide tonal spectrum.

    It has a big, beautiful low end, lush full mids and has a lot in the high end of the spectrum. My Classic 30 sounds good with the Treble knob on 6.5 (straight up), the Mid on 3 and the Bass maxed at 12. I also retubed the output tubes with JJ EL84s from Eurotubes.com and the preamp section with tubes from Dougstubes.com - a Tung-Sol Reissue 12AX7 in V1, a Shuang 12AX7 in V2 and a Sovtek 12AX7 LPS in V3. The amp sounds good even at very low volumes which is a litmus test for me for amps.

    I purchased a Tubetamer and Tubeguard from their respective sellers on eBay. Oh, also to answer your question, the speaker has to be 16 Ohms.

    One more tip - if you gently peel off the Hellatone label, the original Celestion label is underneath. I think it looks cooler and shows that it's the real thing.

    Hope this helps.
     
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  18. rogue.guineapig

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    thanks, I'll check that out!
     
  19. Catoogie

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    BUT, how does it SOUND? You mentioned zero about the sound of the speaker? If there's nothing wrong with it why not just keep the dough in your pocker and play the damn thing?

    Also, the Peavey Classics are great amps but the drive channels are jive. I have a 2x10 Delta Bues and it's awesome, I use pedals for dirt and fuzz.....MUCH better.
     

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