Congested ! 6CA7 Candidate ??

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  1. Nov 13, 2005 #1
    alanfc

    alanfc Member

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    thats the only way I can describe it :(

    Now that I have better ears this is what I'm hearing.
    Rivera R55 into 2x12 (v30-G12h30) partial open back
    Power EL34 Winged C's.
    Strat with JB Jr. bridge (ceramic mag), pickup height 1/8" off strings.

    at full band volume, 'hard rock' slightly 80's/sorta EVH tones.

    one minute I'm turning down the mids because it sounds boxy and congested, then I turn the mids back up because I'm getting no bark. But then its harsh and congested.
    I had an EQ pedal in the loop but the poles aren't affecting what I want....

    Am I a candidate for : 6CA7's ?!?!? ? ?

    is it the partial open back cab? Should I seal it?
    The ceramic magnet pickup.? (I loved my Alnico 2 Custom Custom in another guitar)

    OR, am I wanting a 6L6 powered amp. I hope not !

    thanks for your diagnosis
    :)
     
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  2. Nov 13, 2005 #2
    aleclee

    aleclee TGP Tech Wrangler Staff Member

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    IME, 6CA7s have a much flatter response than EL34s. You can get a duet of EH 6CA7s for about 25-30 bucks. I think the EH version retains more EL34 character than the much more expensive GT version. Worst case is you have an inexpensive set of backup tubes.

    Though the open-backed cab might be contributing to the boxiness, putting it all the way up against the wall might give you an idea of the effect of the open back.
     
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  3. Nov 13, 2005 #3
    alanfc

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    OK thanks guys

    Old Tele man, is this some sort of amp tech inside joke? !
    :D
    I'll look up this tetrode pentode business.
    I know on paper the US-Euros are similar but I 've always read they're difference to the ear..
     
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    UfoPilot

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    Acording to EH it is a tetrode. Here is a quote from thier web site.
    Designed to the exacting specifications of the Phillips 6CA7. This classic tetrode returns to life in a big bottle design. The 6CA7EH is built to withstand today's high-gain amps while still retaining the detailed tone and component integrity of the original. A direct replacement, with military reliability, for any EL34.
     
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  5. Nov 13, 2005 #5
    alanfc

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    OK thanks:)
    Would I have to take the amp in for a re-bias if I went from the EL34 to 6ca7?
    thanks
     
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  6. Nov 13, 2005 #6
    aleclee

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    Yup. It's just like any other tube replacement. Scott P and I have both run 6CA7s in our Riveras and have had great results biasing them relatively cold (32-35 mA). YMMV but there's some very good tone to be had without cooking the tubes.
     
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  7. Nov 13, 2005 #7
    alanfc

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    OK thanks,
    at my last checkup my bias on the EL34's was approx 34-35 I remember,
    Do I still need to take it in for re-bias?
    My tech is great but in very high demand:(
    Thanks
     
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  8. Nov 13, 2005 #8
    aleclee

    aleclee TGP Tech Wrangler Staff Member

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    It should be re-biased. It's probably okay but...

    Frankly, I'd suggest buying a bias meter (e.g., Weber Bias-Rite) and DIY. It's not hard if you don't mind pulling the chassis and allows for immediate gratification in terms of tube swaps and tube replacement. Between the time and $$$ saved, it's money well spent, IMO.
     
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  9. Nov 13, 2005 #9
    alanfc

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    thanks,
    I'm always thinking about doing this but never do it:rolleyes:
    I think I have some motivation now.
     
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    UfoPilot

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    I agree. Get a bias meter and do it yourself. It's easy and you can tweak the bias for the best sound.
     
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  11. Nov 14, 2005 #11
    Erik

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    I'll third what UfoPilot and Alec have said.
     
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