No one here is asking for full out negative reviews of pedals. In that case it would be good to just not review the pedal in the first placeI think negative reviews wouldn’t help anyone. As mentioned in this thread before, there aren’t a lot of “bad” pedals. Some work for you and some don’t. A demo person wouldn’t be able to know that.
I understand your point but one of my favorite reviewers, who seems to be a decent guy (but, yeah, I don’t really know him) actually tells where he borrowed the gear from. It’s usually a person’s name but sometimes a business. I find it hard to believe he’s flat out lying.Professional unbiased reviewers are impossible. No one can finance a steady supply of stuff to review, so they become reliant on manufacturers, and no company is going to send something to someone who is going to cost them sales. Combine this with the fact that most people that seek being an influencer type are unrepentant narcissistic whores and you have youtube/instagram product reviews.
You make a very good point. Do we want YouTube vids breaking a business, especially if the business is one we like? Joe Blow could dislike my favorite pedal, get a million views and the builder struggles.Anyone hanging around here would know that there are always people who hate your favorite pedal. What is a good sound, feature set, interface etc. is highly subjective.
Think of your favorite pedal channel giving a very negative review of your favorite pedal. You wouldn’t agree but you’d move on but if that review was released before you got the pedal there’s a chance you wouldn’t get that pedal. Some people buy pedals just because That Pedal Show guys or Pete Thorn said it is very good. Imagine how the small companies would be affected if one of them said “I don’t like this pedal, it doesn’t really work for me.”
I think negative reviews wouldn’t help anyone. As mentioned in this thread before, there aren’t a lot of “bad” pedals. Some work for you and some don’t. A demo person wouldn’t be able to know that.
Mentioning obvious issues like noise or volume drop is another thing, obviously. Other stuff that depend on taste, style, genre etc. are just, like, their opinions and shouldn’t matter.
People making demos are just people like you and they might like some pedals and might dislike some. I think just watching multiple demos and making your own mind would work out better than listening to someone’s personal opinions.
I jumped on to say exactly the same thing. The general quality of pedals available today is very high, and we are left with personal preference or idiosyncrasies of guitars/amps as the determining factor. It is genuinely more useful having someone demonstrate a pedal through a range of gear than provide a 'review', unless there is some absolutely glaring interface or quality issue.I was around for pedals produced in the 80s/90s/00s/10s and my take on the state of effects in 2020 is that we are in a golden age for pedals. Every time I'm looking for a new type of pedal I go into my local music shop and play everything of that type that they have in the store. I've been doing this for a long time and I can't remember the last time I actually came across a pedal that wouldn't sound good and get the job done. It's mostly just figuring out what UI I prefer and whether it's voiced appropriately for the genres and guitars I've got or if something else is doing those things better.
Supply chains and the Internet have made it possible for small builders to easily have access to the same level of solid components and case milling that the big manufacturers have. Outside of a company like Alesis (who at one point had their own in house semiconductor fabrication factory) the playing field is leveled to the point that it is essentially a design meritocracy. Adding to that idea, most manufacturers have rolled in several tried and true circuit design ideas which have come from existing old school hardware and this further lowers the cost of entry for making seriously good pedals in bulk.
The simple fact is that we're in a time when if you get bad tone, you don't know how to use the gear properly. This was not the case back in the day. There has been so much absolute crap out there for so long that it's laughable. I have pedals that guitarists from former bands have left at my house which I occasionally plug in and am astounded at how useless they are (which is probably why they got left behind). There is so much talk on here about how gear sucks or isn't useful or whatever and I just roll my eyes at it. "I had a Meris Polymoon but it sucked so I sent it back." Really dude? Are you sure the problem is with the gear? Do you have any idea what a bad pedal actually sounds like?
I am not sure how I would do anything differently as a reviewer if none of the stuff is legitimately bad. Feature set and UI design is essentially a popularity contest.
It's nice that those are the things you like about TGP but people blow off steam all the time here about how they hate the imaginary Strymon "Sheen" or Chase Bliss' pricing or how bad support is for certain gear makers...No one is asking them to start a petition or fix the problem. So, I'm not sure why this is counter productive or inappropriate to post here. It's just a conversation.I think the nice thing about TGP is people who come to share information and advice. While I empathize with your misgivings, this doesn't seem like the most constructive way to either educate others or provide a solution, and you do seem keen on trying to debate people (who even agree with you in general like myself) just to blow off some steam. Maybe this would be more appropriate for the pub section.
I hope that maybe you can focus this frustration towards something a bit more productive like maybe a petition to pedal manufacturers asking them to have their demo-ers disclose that its a paid advertisement. I'd be happy to sign, as would many others in this community.
Those are entirely subjective comments that no reviewer/demoer would make. Maybe they weren’t using the right fuzz pedals. Maybe they didn’t have their amp set “right”. Maybe they were using it for a style of music that the pedal designers didn’t consider. And what does “stack well” even objectively mean? I can only imagine the s*** show that would take place in the comments section of such a demo."[blank] overdrive sounds really nice but even with the drive knob all the way down there is still quite a bit of dirt. Also, It doesn't seem to stack well with the fuzz pedals I've tried."
subjective comments are what I want to hear. I want to hear what THAT individual actually thinks. Honesty. Not what the pedal company wants them to say.Those are entirely subjective comments that no reviewer/demoer would make. Maybe they weren’t using the right fuzz pedals. Maybe they didn’t have their amp set “right”. Maybe they were using it for a style of music that the pedal designers didn’t consider. And what does “stack well” even objectively mean? I can only imagine the s*** show that would take place in the comments section of such a demo.
You seem to have this really weird desire to see reviewers/demoers s*** all over certain pedals, either because you think the pedal scene is overly positive or you want reviewers to appear more evenly balanced. Do you not have enough conflict in your life already?
I like Reverb Andy’s approach to demoing: find the thing that the piece of gear best and spend your time highlighting that. Let people draw their own conclusions on whether or not the gear might work for them. No need to generate a bunch of awful noises just to appear evenhanded.
Despite everything I just said, I hear what you're saying - yes, it'd be super entertaining to hear a pedal reviewer share really subjective opinions, preferably with strong biases and a good dose of humour. To make it work optimally, they'd probably have a slightly narrower range of musical tastes, and probably have more specific guitar-and-amp preferences as well.subjective comments are what I want to hear. I want to hear what THAT individual actually thinks. Honesty. Not what the pedal company wants them to say.
s*** all over pedals? No. I want real human thoughts. Not what my buddy the pedal maker wants me to say.
Again, this isn’t keeping me up at night, it’s just annoying. So it’s nothing to do with wanting conflict. It’s just a discussion on a forum.
Everyone says they want an honest opinion until they hear something they don't like.
Yeah of course, I wasn’t talking about only negative reviews. Those examples make a lot of sense and are helpful if you have the same setup, tastes and style as the person in the video but those are still one person’s opinions that people who don’t know any better will consider as facts.No one here is asking for full out negative reviews of pedals. In that case it would be good to just not review the pedal in the first place
What I'm asking for is honest pros AND cons. "This pedal is great with a number of helpful features we just ran through. One thing you should know is that the stereo spread isn't quite as wide or big sounding as some of the other big box reverbs, but it excels in these other areas..."
"[blank] overdrive sounds really nice but even with the drive knob all the way down there is still quite a bit of dirt. Also, It doesn't seem to stack well with the fuzz pedals I've tried."
You know...Stuff players would actually want to know that would help them make informed purchases.
There ARE some demo guys who do this and I follow them but they get overshadowed by the big guys that do not give honest criticism. What I hear from a lot of these popular guys is "this is the best pedal, it's the next big thing and there's no reason to not get it" type comments after they just EQ'd the heck out of it and have other pedals on before or after.
Doesn't youtube enforce this now anyway? I notice the little 'includes paid promotion' thing on some videos.maybe a petition to pedal manufacturers asking them to have their demo-ers disclose that its a paid advertisement. I'd be happy to sign, as would many others in this community.
I don't think this is a real danger. If a pedal / product is an objectively good / useful / innovative product, it's unlikely that it will be run into the ground just because of one 'influencer's' opinion. I do find it kinda funny that the OP is copping some pushback just for making this thread (not referring to your post here I-IV-V). The music equipment industry has always been pretty susceptible to snake-oil products due to the subjective nature of it all, emotional investment, etc - youtube and TGP are exactly the right places to voice opinions on things that an individual may find contradictory / misleading / overpriced / overhyped etc.You make a very good point. Do we want YouTube vids breaking a business, especially if the business is one we like? Joe Blow could dislike my favorite pedal, get a million views and the builder struggles.