Cutting a Taylor 810

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  1. papanoel

    papanoel Member

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    Hello! I recently got a great Taylor 810 used for pretty cheap, no electronics. I also came upon a mint condition Taylor brand stamped Fishman blender, the same as I have in my 614ce. I have a great luthier who I am going to ask to install, but it will of couse involve cutting the side of the guitar...am I nuts?
     
  2. Jahn

    Jahn Listens to Johnny Marr, plays like John Denver Supporting Member

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    You are nuts. Sell the blender, just get a nice Fishman Rare Earth soundhole pickup and be done with it. Cutting a rosewood barndoor is a bit old no no, especially since there are so many non-invasive alternatives now like the great Aura preamps/pedals.
     
  3. Wildwind

    Wildwind Silver Supporting Member

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    I agree with Jahn. I intentionally bought an incredible, high-end Larrivee without electronics. I bought a K&K Pure Western system and Raven preamp. The guitar was externally modified only by the addition of the end pin jack. I'm thrilled with it in every respect.

    The only way I would consider on-board electronics was if I was using it like a worship leader does, always having to make fast adjustments. There's a reason those systems are popular in that regard. But otherwise, I'm done with on-board systems on high-end guitars.

    Greg
     
  4. Shiny McShine

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    Instead, think of investing in a decent flat condenser mic. I've yet to hear an acoustic with a pickup that I like. In fact, the pickup thing ruins the experience for me.
     
  5. FloridaSam

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    +1, don't cut up the Taylor.
     
  6. papanoel

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    I actually am a worship leader...but after getting the 810 and hearing how nice it sounds, plus I have yet to get one person to agree that cutting is a good idea, what are some alternatives that give me the same controls? Plus, I do like the blended sound with the mic and pickup.

    I have a 614ce and I've gotten quite used to the prefix blender...
     
  7. mischultz

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    Each of the major manufacturers have at least one system with soundhole mounted control of volume, and several with tone or blend control as well. LR Baggs also makes a belt- or strap-clip line of preamps, one of which (MixPro) is designed specifically for two-source pickups.

    Personally, I'm partial to the B-Band pickups, which is what I've installed in my last two acoustics (both Taylors). The A2.2 system is my current favorite for two-source systems and would be worth considering along with comparable systems from Fishman and Baggs. I feel like the B-Band takes EQ a little better than the others (including K&K and DTAR), but it's a narrowly bunched field, and there really aren't any especially bad choices to be made.

    Michael
     
  8. treeofpain

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    Another worship leader here. My 1988 Taylor 810 already had the Baggs Duet in it. I don't think I'd have the heart to cut into the side of mine otherwise. I'd get a system with a soundhole volume control.
     
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    Don't cut. Blenders look awful, especially in a nice guitar.
     
  10. KazJY

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    Yeah, I wouldn't cut either. blecchh.
     
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    My wife's 414 has a soundhole mounted Baggs I-Beam dual source system that's excellent. No changes other than the end jack to install either.
     
  12. Wildwind

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    The Raven and other similar preamps will blend for you, and return very high quality sound in the process - I believe superior to any integrated on-board system. Raven is essentially two channels, albeit dedicated to acoustic pickup systems. It was, at the time, one of the only units that would properly power the K&K condenser mic.

    I haven't played acoustic in church in some years (strictly electric lead now, which is where I started) - they recently bought a Taylor preamp for the acoustic player (who plays a Taylor 810 with Baggs Dual Source - sounds excellent), which I believe is about the same price as a Raven (~$500, but don't quote me). I haven't looked at it, but I would imagine this would also handle things like the Raven and I expect the quality to be just as good or better.

    Going back in time for a moment - when Elderly installed my K&K (maybe seven years ago), they could not test the condenser mic and thought it was defective. This left them feeling rather sheepish - he had tried everything in the store and came up empty (they didn't have a Raven in stock, though they were a dealer at that time, if not now). I explained to him why and tested it when I got home - it worked perfectly, using the supplied Raven cable (a stereo/TRS cable). A regular mixer's phantom power won't run it. I have no idea why. Other systems may be like that as well.

    One more thought, for better or for worse - as enamored as I was of having a dual-source setup, I quit using the internal mic after finding out it didn't really enhance the sound much (I'm not saying I tried everything - I was just going for a great acoustic tone that worked for me and got it with the under-bridgeplate unit) and that it picked up my voice and any other stray noises (which are more plentiful than you might think). Now brother Phil makes a living capturing these stray noises on his Olsens, but for me, they weren't always so joyful. And the under-bridgeplate K&K is the best sounding unit I ever heard. It's not a piezo, but I can't explain what it is anymore. A studio guitarist (also a WL) recommended it to me and it was love at first chord.

    Greg
     
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    I wouldn't cut it. I just put a fishman aura system in my Gibson. Minimal alteration the the system sounds incredible. I'd go for something like that instead.
     
  14. lazymonday

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    I'd second K&K Pure Western Mini. I recently got a LR Baggs Para Acoustic DI to go with it, just in case I plug into a system and make sure I have enough gain on tap (aka my church). I play a Santa Cruz and it sounds great so far!
     
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    I have a 2001 Taylor 810 with a simple passive (I think) Fishman piezo (under the saddle) pick-up. It sounds great plugged in with a good DI. I'd echo the sentiments of others advising against cutting the guitar. You can get great results without cutting it.
     
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    I recently added a pickup to my Guild GAD-50. I went with a soundhole LR Baggs M1A (did have to ream the end pin hole). It sounds great, BTW.

    I would definitely NOT cut up a Taylor 810.
     

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