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Discussion in 'Guitars in General' started by gunslinger, Jul 10, 2019.
That's to be expected. I think Dean has a better case than Gibson - If you don't enforce your TM for decades, you in effect don't have one.
The dealer interference thing is a low blow.
Well, the countersuit certainly gives Gibson some incentive to negotiate.
Dean (Armadillo) essentially called their bluff, and now Gibson risks losing the IP it claims is so essential to its identity.
I'll confess ignorance here.
How many guitars of the shapes in the dispute are actually sold in a given year by these manufactures?
I can see how the 335- 330- and Casino-shaped guitars might be sold in significant quantities, but the V-shaped ones?
I've known exactly one person in my 67 years who had a V, and he rarely, if ever, takes it out of its case, and he's never taken it to a gig.
I get that Gibson's trying to protect their IP, but (as has already been pointed out), why now, since they've not bothered in the past?
New ownership seeking new revenue through either a court judgment or a licensing/royalty deal. Or to ncrease their market share by weakening a competitor... that’s my guess.
Or maybe they’re hoping for a friendly verdict that would bolster their IP rights. “We’re the NEW guys. It’s not our fault if the OLD guys didn’t enforce these trademarks.”
Again, that’s just a guess from a non-lawyer. Will be interesting to see how it all plays out.
Tacky of Gibson to go after dealers. I hope all their under handed dealer relations come out in this suit. Real sad to see what Gibson has become ...... but I won't miss them a bit.
Old ownership initiated the lawsuit. The new guys are following through but Henry started the process against Dean.
I'm ignorant, or out-of-date, on the dealer relations thing, too.
I seem to remember Gibson dumping most, if not all, its small dealers in the early 2000's (by inflating inventory requirements) in a move toward Guitar Center.
Was that a thing?
That Henry! What a rascal!!!
(Thanks for the correction.)
Just read the article. If the dealer interference allegations are true, Gibson are total scumbags. I hope they end up with egg on their face in the worst possible way.
Bye bye Gibson.
All this Gibson talk has made TGP about as interesting as the Kardashians.
Never has a Dean looked more interesting...
Working with dealers to get your product in there, you know....where people can buy them, might have been worthwhile.
But I guess they got a plan.
Most of Gibson's core buyers are rugged individuals who think lawyering shenanigans have contributed to the downfall of the nation. When Gibson chases this legal path, most damaging to the little companies and small mom & pop dealers, they look like a bully gang of corporate lawyers. Rock 'n Roll has always rebelled against 'the man'.
Gibson needs to realize they are running a massive negative marketing program. Destroying that 'Goodwill' line in their financial statements they are so fearful of losing. If they want to sell more guitars they need to build the best product, at the best price -- it's both as simple as that and as difficult as that.
... And fix that fragile headstock so customers don't have the broken headstock fear and drama.
Gibson sells guitars because of hero worship and expendable cash. As long as rock gods keep playing and mid life crisis keep happening, Gibson will be fine
The V and Explorer were blatantly ripped off by Dean.
Dealer interference thing seems like it could part of any similar lawsuit.
Gibson probably did sit on this too long without action. Not sure how the regime change affects matters.
Dean’s endorser list is hilarious. If that’s all they can come up with, it would be better to leave it out.
While I understand the loathing that some people feel for Gibson if they go out of business many of the approximately 2800 employees of Gibson Brands, Inc. will be out of jobs. Plus if you look at the Chapter 11 bankruptcy filing there are hundreds of small companies that supply Gibson with parts or services that would be adversely affected economically if Gibson went out of business. Gibson is a lot more than a few executives who make decisions that many in the guitar community dislike. The people who build the guitars and other products that Gibson sells have mortgages and bills to pay, and families to take care of.
If you look at the relative waist to butt ratio of a Les Paul, it kinda looks like a Kardashian.