definitive distortion discussion

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by rogue.guineapig, Apr 21, 2008.

  1. rogue.guineapig

    rogue.guineapig Member

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    I need a distortion to replace my DS-1 (which I've never been hot on).

    in the DIY category, I see these:

    BSIABII
    MGV
    Mouse
    250+
    Shredder

    In the blow-$150ish category:
    Lovepedal 200lbs
    OCD
    Tim(my) (?)
    or ?

    I need a mid-midhi gain pedal that is articulate on chords,
    not just leads. I hate the DS-1 because it can be so noisy
    and you lose any detail in the wall of fuzzy crap.
    I play blues, rock, and P&W.

    I need comparisons here. Both GGG and BYOC sites say
    "this is a grand distortion, you will love it!" and many threads are
    "I LOVE MY OCD !!!!11!!1" threads...which is encouraging to see
    but it doesn't tell me why? What's the difference?
    What is an OCD like compared to a Tim, to the 200lb, to the 205+
    to the shredder, etc?
    Why would you buy one over another?
    I realize I've asked questions like this before...:NUTS
    I only have one shot at this, after this the money is gone. :(
    What makes these pedals different? What are their characteristics?
    By all means, articulate and wax eloquent...the more in-depth
    the description, the more informative it is (hopefully).
    rgp
     
  2. Anywho

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    If your considering DIY, why not just look into mods for your DS-1?
     
  3. Randaddy

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    I can't help you with descriptions of the different pedals, but I can help you in another way... something I learned the hard way. I thought I would get the best pedal and be happy, but I've gone through 8 or 9 pedals now. I bought each one new and sold it for a loss. My last pedal (and the two I have on the way :)), I bought used. That is the way to go!

    Buy a used one that you decide on with the help of the descriptions you are about to get, and if you decide it is not for you, sell it for the same amount. You will only lose the shipping costs. After a few pedals, you will know what you like and don't like and you will have only spent a relatively small amount.

    I ended up going with a V-Classic direct to house, which is not exactly what you are looking for (judging from your post).

    Good luck, and have fun in your search!
     
  4. rogue.guineapig

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    I totally agree on the used idea...the pricing is way better, and it's
    possible to swap around a bit with little or no loss.

    As for the DS-1, even the mods I've heard don't really do it for me..
    I've done a lot of lookups on YouTube to try and get an idea of
    what certain pedals sound like. The flip side of this is that I promised the
    DS-1 to our other electric player at church...I think he'll like the stompbox
    sound in general more then his Boss Multi unit. I just have to convince him. :)
     
  5. KCWM

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    I've liked the clips I've heard of the monte allums DS-1 mod...I forget what it's called. I had the Monte Allums H20 mod for my old blues driver and it sounded really good. I have better luck with my stock DS-1 by keeping the tone around 9:00 and the distortion between noon and 3:00.

    I'm in the same boat as you though. While I have a Keeley TS9, Bad Monkey, and Box of Rock to cover the low-medium gain, I'm wanting something more for my medium-high gain stuff.
     
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    i love the shred master and i have heard the clone is very close. Its a great pedal from soft overdrive to full on fuzztone with scooped mids. Its a good all round pedal its just very old now, and i really need to get one of the clones of it.


    AJ
     
  7. rogue.guineapig

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    Exactly..I have a MBB clone from GGG that I am diggin' massively.
    But I need something to take over from there...
    main contenders are
    BSAIB from GGG, the Mouse, and Shredder from BYOC.
    I keep reading things about OCDs needing more voltage to sound good...

    rgp
     
  8. AqueousView11

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    Can the box of rock get high-gainish with the gain from 3 o'clock to maxed?
     
  9. KCWM

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    Not really, even with my Les Paul. For me, it's definitely a low to mid-gainer. In a way, i was disappointed that it wasn't a higher gain pedal, but with the right amps, it's a great sound. I don't like how it sounds with my Fender DRRI, so I'm looking to move into an OCD v4 instead. Out of the 9 or 10 amps I've owned in the under $1000 price range, the BOR sounded best through the Peavey Classic 50 2x12 and Carvin Vintage 33.

    It looks like I'm picking up a Cannibus Rex speaker tomorrow, so perhaps that will make a difference in how the BOR plays with the DRRI.
     
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    Is the gain range similar to the OCD?
     
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    That i'm not sure of. I haven't played an OCD. That's what I'm trying to move into. I might just sell my box of rock and buy a brand new OCD v4.
     
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    Sorry to say that at some point you are gonna have to get out there & try stuff.
    That said, I love my OCD!
    The primary reason I like it is it works great with my rig (strat & clean SF twin) without any changes in eq.
    By "works great" I mean it is defined but not harsh, has a decent bottom end & mids (in the hp setting) that sit well in the mix both live & recorded.
    It is also capable of a range of useful tones & gain settings.
    Compared to a DS-1 (i had a keeley modded too) or any other modded boss/ts-9 type pedal, it sounds less like a pedal & more like an amp.
    My experience has also been that the OCD sounds worst into a cranked amp with a looser bottom (specifically into a cranked super it was real mushy)
    hope you find your tone!
    Best
    CAm
     
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    100% go the Timmy. :JAM
     
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    The new Naked OD from Tone Freak is awesome.
     
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    Ever tried a Keeley Rat?
    Pretty great mid through high gain with a touch of fuzz.
     
  16. rogue.guineapig

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    so far the Mouse from BYOC and the Shredder have my attention...


    I like the idea of the mouse, because with so many different distortion
    settings, there has GOT to be at least one that I'd like, right? :)

    I don't hear much love for the BSAIBII around here...and reasons as to why?
     
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    I got to Chime in... The first 2 replies made a lot of sense.

    1) Look at the DS-1 Mods (Keeley Does it for like $75 Bucks)

    2) Buy Used (Ebay) I have gone through so many pedals but will never buy one new. Its just too easy on eBay to buy, try and sell.
     
  18. Axekisser

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    I got a Allums modded DS-1, a LP 200lbs, TS type pedals, Butler Tube Driver, and a BSIAB II. They're all different with the 200lbs having more "grind," the DS-1 is a distortion pedal, not really amp-like. The BSIAB is more Marshall but it really depends on the amp. The TS pedals are my favorite as long as the mids aren't to overbearing (I mod mine).

    I like the BSIAB more with a Fender amp (that's what it was designed for) but don't like it with EL-84/Vox type amps, too middy. The TD makes everything sound warmer so I like to stack things with it. You'll probably need to try some different pedals out because clips don't necessarily sound like your amp and guitar.

    Good luck!
     
  19. Dexter.Sinister

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    What is your amp and guitar? How loud do you play? How dense is mix (who do you play with)?

    Can not answer without right info.

    DS
     
  20. rogue.guineapig

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    Amp is a Peavey Classic 30, guitars are
    a 1975 gibby LP, and a Fender Strat with Noiseless Vintage pups.
    I play with ...a variety of musicians. Amp never goes above 4.
    Still diggin that MBB...man it is a single coil dream machine. :D
     

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