Diamond Counter Point vs. Memory Lane Jr. (Quick write up/review)

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  1. SirGilmour

    SirGilmour Supporting Member

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    Ive seen this asked multiple times so here is a little write up comparing the two.

    Keep in mind I am a huge fan of the MLjr. and this isnt to take anything away from that pedal.

    Some of the main things I like about it over the MLjr....

    It gives you 4 different delay sounds vs the MLjr's 1.

    The delays have a little more character to them although the "vintage mode" sounds almost identical to the MLjr but keep in mind that mode has a max delay time of 600ms vs. the MLjr's 1200.

    The Galloping 8ths mode is very cool and satsfies my rhythmic delay needs. I dont usually need the other subdivisions that the MLjr. offers.

    You can always get straight 8th notes in "vintage" and "faux tape" modes if a time is tapped thats longer than the maximum delay time offered by that setting. I.e If you tap 800 ms on vintage mode it will automatically double it to 400ms.

    I love that it saves your time and modulation settings per mode even after power cycle. Its *ALMOST* like having 4 presets.

    For those of us that like to use longer delays sometimes the tape mode will allow 1200ms of delay. Plenty for my needs. I also think the modulation is better on the "faux tape" mode than the MLjr's in general. Its interactive in that the speed of modulation is tied in with the delay time and the depth knob obviolsy sets the depth. The MLjr mod speed is fixed.

    I read that some were disapointed by the "Ambient" mode and I can see why if you were expecting a Dispatch Master type of huge washy delay+reverb sound. However I quite like it becasue its not so deep and spacey. The reason is I think its sits better in a mix due to its subtlety. Its not non existant sublte but its not huge either. Keep in mind it says in the manual due to the nature of that algorhythm the mix and repeats need to be higher than the other modes to achieve the same levels. IMO its the perfect mode for adding a little space to arpegiated chords or clean rhythm parts.

    Basically I think you get everything the MLjr. offers minus a couple subdivisons plus a whole lot more versatility and beautiful delay sounds.
     
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    Would it be redundant on a board WITH the MLJR?

    The MLJR has been my favorite TapTempo delay for a long time.

    How does the Faux Tape mode compare to the El Capistan?
     
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    If most of your delay times are less than 600ms then it would be redundant for sure since the "vintage" mode is so similar.

    The "Faux Tape" doesnt sound much like the El Cap at all to me. The El Cap has much much more control over the parameters and is much more versatile as a stand alone Tape emulator but I have always liked the warmth and tone of the Diamond delays more than the Strymon offerings. That being said the Counterpoint tape mode isnt overly dark. In fact it may be the "cleanest" algorhythm of the 4.
     
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    Thanks for the review. I've been looking at that pedal.
     
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    I really like my ML Jr. but I need a delay that has longer than 600ms time. I need the 1200ms. But I also have a Quantum Leap.

    Most my delay stuff can be 600ms or less but I do need some kinda mode that'll give 1200ms when I need an analogy sounding long delay times.

    Which one would you suggest I replace with a CP? Or maybe I shouldn't replace anything and skip the CP altogether?
     
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    Abandoned,

    I would keep the QL since it is the farther departure form the CP. With the QL and CP you could cover a LOT of sonic ground. Here is a list of the min and max delay times per mode. You can still get up to 1200 from the Faux Tape mode and its not TOO different from the MLjr. Its not a super exagerated Tape SIM. Especially with the Mod off.

    Vintage 80ms - 600ms
    Galloping Eighths 160ms - 900ms
    Ambient 160ms - 300ms
    Extra Faux Tape (EFT) 120ms - 1200ms
     
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    Cool review, SG. :aok

    I still can't figure out why more pedal
    manufacturers are not implementing
    dedicated "Tone" controls on their delays. :huh

    Seems like a no-brainer to me. Rather than being
    stuck with the inherent brightness and/or darkness
    of locked-in repeats it allows the user to set them
    up as he or she prefers.

    That being said, neither of my favourite delays have
    dedicated "Tone" controls. :)
     
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    You are the tone control/mod control Nazi! LOL. I do kind of agree though.........



    Abandoned,

    You have me thinking I need to take another look at the QL.......I am thinking it would be awesome to have with my CP.....
     
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    Thank you for the review! I am really interested in this pedal but was a little surprised that the hype/buzz died off so quickly. I really hope it wasn't because of the graphics that pedal skipped on it.
     
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    I haven't too much interest in the other modes other than the tape mode. I thought the synced modulation might be weird. Would love to hear a few more demos of this pedal. A JustNick or shnobel video would be nice.
     
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    I love the graphics!!

    Another pro demo would be great. Re- the modulation on the tape mode is beautiful. Tape is my favorite mode.
     
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    SirGilmour, I love the graphics as well! I might get this pedal to put on my mini board. I was going to try having the Mljr and Counter Point on my main board but it does seem a bit of a waste. I would rather have the Mljr and a tape delay.

    I personally love the ambient mode though (basing it off of demoes). I am not a big fan of huge ambient tones but I do like reverb and delay pedals that just give a bit of space. I read a review on Tone Report and I believe Mike Hermans also mentioned that the Counter Point is just great for adding texture. That really appeals to me!

    I have also wanted to try the QL but for some reason the Counter Point just appeals to me more.
     
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    Its worth a try! Great pedal.
     
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    Actually, I think I am the opposite of a Nazi. I stand for personal
    freedom and individuality---and NOT having a company or
    corporation determine how much or how little modulation (or
    darkness/brightness) I should like and be satisfied with. :)

    Unless, of course, I happen to like their top-down determinations. ;)

    Which sort of brings up a valid point as to why so many of us have
    to go through so many delays in order to find the one that sits just
    perfectly for us as individual players. Do we like the relative brightness?
    The relative warmth? Do the repeats degrade in a way that we enjoy?
    Or do they degrade differently than we prefer? And how is the wet/dry
    mix? :dunno

    There are just so many factors that go into a great delay. If one of them
    is off for us it can totally kill the "vibe" of the pedal and have us listing
    it in the Emporium---even if we like 4 or 5 other things about it.
     
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    On pretty much all the other delays I own there is a way to shape the tone. I think I just like the mljr because it sounds great as is and with minimal tweaking I can get it to sound good. I wouldn't be able to have it as my only delay.
     
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    I completely understand your point. That being said my ears have always loved the way Diamond delays sound.

    I could see having the CP as my only delay since it's has four unique sounds but not the MJLjr.
     
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    That's how I feel about my DMMs. I had the ML Jr. a couple of times
    and it wasn't able to to dethrone the DMM for that modulated delay.
    Heck of a good pedal, though. I am sure the Counterpoint is great, too.
    I have a Quantum Leap I keep around because it offers up more than
    just delay tones---and the delay tones are more than good enough for
    me on it, as well.

    Now, if the Counterpoint demos wowed me---and Diamond did a better
    job during its release of making sure some quality demos were available ...
    then I might be more easily swayed to grab one.
     
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    See Diamond! We need more demos. ;)
     
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    Guess they thought they could throw out a nondescript white pedal with Dymo stickers on it and everyone would fall over their selves to get one.
     
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    ^^^I know, right??? :huh

    That's funny, too. :D

    I am sure there are some GREAT pedal
    demoers who would have loved to give
    the Counterpoint a once over. Why that
    never happened is beyond me?? :dunno
     

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