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Diezel? Built in Amp Tech, NOT Blocking Kemper Profiling

Discussion in 'Digital & Modeling Gear' started by texhex, Jul 3, 2020.

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  1. texhex

    texhex Member

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    July 6th, 2020 – Diezel has asked me not to delete this thread.

    Just to be clear, the VHX does not block Kemper from profiling. The VHX only records the fact that the amp has been profiled. Nothing more, nothing less.

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    July 5th, 2020 - Thread title changed and at this point I'm ready to just delete the whole damn thing.

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    ** July, 4th 2020 - Update from Diezel Manufacturer **
    Edited for English translation:
    "This technology only allows the VHX to know if the amp has been profiled and store the information, without interaction or stopping the user from doing so."

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    Unless some other builder has a hybrid amp with a screen on it, I think this guy is talking about the new Diezel VHX possibly having tech built in to the amp that detects and blocks the Kemper frequency sweep. Interesting discussion.

    I just posted over in the Amps forum, that new VHX is $4899.




    Damn thing looks totally awesome though:

    Diezel VHX Features:
    • Can re-create Diezel’s most famous amp tones
      • VH4, Herbert, Hagen, Paul, Einstein, and more
    • 100W, 4-channel programmable tube amplifier head
    • Outfitted with 4 x KT-77 power tubes and 5 x 12AX7 preamp tubes
    • Program and store your gain, EQ, volume, and other settings as one of up to 99 recallable presets
    • Included DSP-based effects — a noise gate, compressor, quad/polyphonic pitch shifter, delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, reverb, tremolo, and a graphic EQ.
    • 3 programmable effects loops — 2 post-preamp and 1 pre-loop — for integrating your pedals and external effect processors
    • IR-enabled DI with 64 high-quality cabinet IRs with multiple mic/mic placement options
    • Cab-less Mode engages a built-in load box for cab-free performance
    • Operation is a breeze, thanks to an easy-to-read high-resolution display
    • MIDI and Diezel Columbus switcher compatible with MIDI-over-Bluetooth
    • Handmade in Germany

    Programmable All-tube Diezel Head
    The VHX combines Diezel’s trademark high-gain exquisiteness with cutting-edge digital technology. The result is one of the most versatile tube guitar amplifier heads on the market. This 100-watt, 4-channel head is all tube, all the way — it’s outfitted with four KT-77s and five 12AX7s. But, the VHX is also laden with state-of-the-art DSP-based control that unlocks endless dimensions of creative and sonic possibilities. All of Diezel’s famous tones lurk inside this amplifier — the VH4, Herbert, Hagen, Paul, Einstein — and the VHX can access them all as recallable presets. Beyond that, you get a well-fortified cache of studio-quality effects, an IR-enabled DI and load box, MIDI-over-Bluetooth, and three effects loops. Plus, operating the VHX is a breeze, thanks to an easy-to-read high-resolution display. Handmade in Germany, the Diezel VHX is a great choice for any guitarist who desires a pro-level tube amp head with near-unlimited musical potential.

    All-tube Diezel sound with digital programmability
    The VHX is a true all-tube Diezel head with an all-analog signal path. This guitar amp head’s output section includes four KT-77 power tubes, while its preamp section is loaded with five 12AX7s. You can re-create the full gamut of Diezel’s famous amp tones with this complement of tubes, such as the VH4, Herbert, Hagen, Paul, and Einstein — no digital modeling required. And since everything in the Diezel VHX is controlled by digital signal processing, you’re able to program and store your gain, EQ, volume, and other settings as one of up to 99 recallable presets.

    DSP-based effects offer near-unlimited sonic potential
    The Diezel VHX is jam-packed with an exciting array of DSP-based effects, including a noise gate, compressor, quad/polyphonic pitch shifter, delay, chorus, flanger, phaser, reverb, tremolo, and a graphic EQ. Each effect is fully tweakable, and you can place them anywhere in your post-preamp signal chain. You also get three programmable effects loops — two post-preamp and one pre-loop — for integrating your pedals and external effect processors. We’re impressed by the versatility of the VHX here at Sweetwater. You can coax just about any sound imaginable out of it.

    Plug into a cab or don’t — the choice is yours
    You can plug the VHX into your favorite 4x12” cab(s) — it’s a hand-to-God 100-watt tube amp. That said, in many modern studio and stage applications you don’t need a speaker cabinet. That’s why Diezel armed the VHX with an IR-enabled DI and load box. This amp head includes 64 high-quality cabinet IRs right from the factory with Celestion V30 and G12K-100 speakers, captured using various microphones, including an SM57, R121, C414, and MD421. You can fine tune your DI tone using multiple mic positions and use Cab-less Mode to engage the built-in load box for cab-free performance. You also get a USB output for easy recording.
     
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  2. tjontheroad

    tjontheroad Just Wanna Be Misunderstood Vendor

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    Seems like a bad PR move to me :dunno
     
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  3. JoeInOttawa

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    I wondered how long it would be before amp builders started trying to protect their intellectual property. Modeling is one thing, but profiling is copying, and, in the strictest sense, that's stealing.
     
  4. teefus

    teefus Silver Supporting Member

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    i wonder if that blocking circuit is tone enhancing true bypass, lol.
     
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  5. Blix

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    That's funny if true :p
     
  6. Watt McCo

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    Agreed. You are effectively conceding that the Kemper is a competitor to your amp, at which point...your amp really looks overpriced and underfunctional.
     
  7. Lachra

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    Interesting. If not many amp makers adopt this, and in a relatively quick time period, it will make it seem like the Kemper is a threat, in a way that modelling isn't. That may hurt them more in the long run, and might end up helping Kemper more.

    If many amp makers adopt this relatively quickly then it could spell out a new paradigm. Kemper, and perhaps the profiling on the Neural DSP Quad Cortex, may be limited in the future if this is the case. It may be a decision based upon the fact that Kemper is so popular now, and Quad Cortex is coming at some point. Who Knows?

    If the latter is true then I wonder would they do the same thing when it comes to modelling? Would they try to limit? I find it odd that they would considering some have embraced it more recently, and to their own benefits as well. For example look at Dumble clone sales, and look at REVV amps since being included in the Helix.

    But with a price of $5,000 for a single amp... I am so glad I went with Helix.
     
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  8. gtr37

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    P Deizel has been vocal about his dislike for Kemper
    As has Reinhold Bogner and others if this works and can be purchased by other builders that would have a pretty Big impact IMO
     
  9. guitarlix

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    Profiling is also modeling, just not physics-based component level modeling.
     
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  10. sleewell

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    they really nipped that in the bud just in time. can't find a diezel kpa profile anywhere lol.
     
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  11. gtr37

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    true they are a little late to game but Kudos for having an idea that is actually helpful to builders and maybe stops other brands like Mooer etc
     
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    I think it is funny, but I don't have a dog in this fight.
     
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  13. SigXer

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    That was an interesting discussion.
     
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    That is pretty interesting, thanks for sharing. The Revv guy makes some really interesting points.
     
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    If the builder itself fears so much Kemper to invest in R&D to make such thing....well...Kemper is the winner.
    Anyway there are +200 free Diezel profiles in Rig Exchange at the moment. :rolleyes:
     
  16. ispunk

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    Someone will figure out how to bypass their copy protection. Can't wait to see the profiles on Rig Exchange.
     
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    Derek and revv are cool.
    The blocking and "middle finger to the user" from the other company are just a bad move.
     
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  18. Jimmy_Rage

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    It's a Diezel amp, please look up some of the artists using it (Metallica, Tool) and hear how it sounds before you start shilling about how it's underfunctional. :jo
     
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    Seriously Diezel, you didn't have to spend all this money and effort on R&D for this feature.

    All you have to do is make a statement along the lines of there being a 'clear and perceivable difference in tone and feel' between modeling and the REAL THING - and that'll keep guitarists second guessing and buying your stuff for the rest of their lives. :p
     
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  20. binge

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    You'll get someone with a VHX, who is a determined hacker, and they will find a way to make a profile from it.
     
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