do HARDTAIL STRATS sound more like TELES?

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  1. SW33THAND5

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    or do they still sound really "stratty"?:eek:

    or something in between???:nono

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    its always said that the bridge is a big part of the tele sound...
     
  2. daddyo

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    They sound like strats with just a bit less sproing, a little more solid. Robert Cray and Nile Rodgers are well known recorded examples of a hardtail strat. My Cray sounds very much like a strat. Well, it is a strat.
     
  3. Sean French

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    I've owned many Strats in my time including a hardtail.The hardtail is 100% Strat.Nothin' like a Tele.They do have a bit more focused sound and tend to have a bit more sustain.The trem strats are more airy,less focused and have more overtones due to the springs.Now,if one had an ashtray bridge with a Tele pickup on a Strat then that would get close I imagine.The pickup being attached to the ashtray bridge is a big part of the Tele sound.
     
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    some of my most stratty sounding strats are hardtails. Nothing like a Tele. I've got 2 '75 Strats both hardtails, and are the ultimate in Strat quack.
     
  5. Dana Olsen

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    I'm babtsitting a '73 Hardtail.

    I agree 100% with everybody above's opinion. Hardtail Strats sound like Strats period - there's no more Tele in 'em than in any other Strat.

    Dana O.
     
  6. TattooedCarrot

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    I've owned a couple hardtails recently - all strat.
     
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    If you stay with the neck pickup only, then they can sound pretty much the same as a Tele on the neck pickup only. But few Tele players don't ever use the bridge pickup, and few Strat players don't use the in-between sounds.

    A hardtail Strat can't ever get the bite and twang of the Tele bridge pickup. that is the distinct Tele sound, and you need that steel bridge plate to get it.
     
  8. KBR

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    My Hardtails sound like Les Pauls.
    I use Lollar P90s
    Lollar/ Voodoo Hbers
    All Parts Mini Hbers.

    and they weigh a full lb less than trem models!
     
  9. Strat

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    "My Hardtails sound like Les Pauls"

    HB's/ P-90's ???

    huh......................
     
  10. RV52

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    That's right.
    And please don't forget Ronnie Wood. He mostly plays mid-50s hardtails since his early days with the Faces.
    I really would like to see Fender coming up with a Ronnie Wood Sig. Strat.
     
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    Is it easier to bend strings on a hard tail or is it harder ?
     
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    The tension feels slightly higher but you don't have to bend as far as I don't have to extend the trem springs (my other strat has a floating trem). Plus you can do oblique bends and double stop bends without the strings going out of tune or having to compensate. But then you could also put 5 springs on the trem too.
     
  13. Bluestar

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    Original owner of two since '96 -another vote for hardtails are all Strat, no Tele (also original owner of one since '97).
     
  14. r9player

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    Nothing like a Tele, still Strat but perhaps with a tat more bite?
     
  15. Ogre

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    No such luck. Hardly any difference from tremelo strats, except more stability, tuning -wise.
     
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    After many years of G&L Legacy hell, I'm a hardtail only guy...nothing Tele-ish about it, but definitely different than a trem Strat (still plenty Stratty). With 10s, it seems harder to bend, but I could be imagining it. I have an ebony board with vintage frets, don't know if that changes anything.

    The rock solid tuning stability, sustain and added chunk/woodiness are well worth it, especially with a tapped humbucker in the bridge.
     
  17. VanStone

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    Confirmed Hardtail guy here. There is a just hint of tele, but they lean very heavily to strat.

    I agree with the prior poster. Basically they are unmistakably strat; but better stability, more chunk, more sustain. More bite too.

    IMHO unless you use them a lot, trems are just a big pain in the rear.

    V
     
  18. 62Tele

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    Yeah but... Pete Anderson did a whole lot of early Dwight Yokam stuff with a hardtail strat and a lot of folks thought he was playing a tele.

    There are differences with a steel bridge surrounding what is traditionally a microphonic bridge pickup that make a tele sound like a tele. But for my money what really makes the difference is how a tele makes you play. Guys who have played teles for years can get a lot of Tele vibe out of a lot of different guitars. I think that's why Anderson sounded so tele-ish on those recordings.
     
  19. Martian

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    If the Strat body is ash and the fingerboard maple, you can mimic a Tele to a degree but all in all, it's still a Strat.
     
  20. Caretaker

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    I think they have a much thicker sound. Just listen to Jake E Lee (Ozzy/Badlands)
     

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