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Do many folks with $2+K rigs own something good vintage?

soldano16

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And by good vintage I don't mean pristine amps but I mean the very highly desirable amp models that everyone wants, in player condition to keep the cost reasonable but still get the vintage tones. Both my vintage amps are examples of player pieces that got me into the vintage game at $2K each. Tone wise, IMHO, worth every penny.

I'm just curious how it works for some folks because the more I see used rigs asking high 2's and up, I just wonder if these are folks who

a) own vintage and modern and are just moving out a modern amp

b) people who owned some vintage but no longer and feel the tones/features they want are in modern amps and that's what they own and buy and sell

c) people who have never owned a vintage model of a great amp and just don't know enough to risk buying at today's prices or fear service issues

I guess some folks might rather just spend their big spend on something new, just as a preference.
 

DEMENTED

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Hmmmm, I am not sure if I read your post right but I currently own:

1) 1972 Marshall 50 watt

2) 2006 VHT Deliverance D60

Is that what you mean?
 

GAT

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I own a mix of both.

'71 Marshalll
'66 Princeton Reverb
'68 Princeton Reverb
'66 Ampeg

Have owned several old Marshalls and Fenders

New stuff:

2 Naylors
Mad Professor
Dr. Z Mazerati GT
 

vchizzle

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currently I just have newer stuff: Bad Cat hot cat 30, VHT 100CL, Splawn 412, VHT D412, Orange Rocker 30 and PPC 2x12.

I had a '71 Fender Super reverb that was blackfaced and a '72(?)Marshall Super Trem head.

The vintage stuff, while I miss it sometimes, I had to unload when I need different amps with newer features in some cases. I just couldn't afford to keep amps that weren't working for me in whatever live situation I was in at the time.

I'd buy vintage again if it was what I wanted/needed tonewise.
 

mude

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I have generally had a mix of both. That being said, I recently sold a couple of the older amps because I was not using them (Marshall and Fender), but still have a couple of blackface Fenders.

I don't generally gig with the old stuff (used to and there is not really any good reason if they are serviced appropriately), but hate to sell it because I know that it can be hard to find great examples at a reasonable price.

For a while, it seemed like the decent old stuff was getting very expensive. But, knock on wood, I have never lost money on a vintage piece and some of the new stuff is getting pretty expensive. A good blackface Fender may not be any more expensive than some of the new copies. One can argue the new amp may be more reliable, but I have had good luck with the old stuff if it is serviced appropriately.

For an overall amp though, I do prefer what is available now compared to the vintage stuff generally. Things like the D13 10/20 and the Louis KR12 work for me and go beyond having an older Deluxe Reverb (although I have not parted with mine yet). But, there is a vibe and a holding of value for the better old pieces that makes them tough to give up easily.

If you want lots of features, then the new stuff is well beyond the old stuff of course. I also think there is some great stuff to be had in the sub $1,000 category (Working Dog, Pitbull 45, Maverick, etc.).

Evan.
 

67super

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I've got mostly vinatge,

65 Bassman
66 princeton
67 super reverb
68 deluxe reverb
76 YGM-3
New Supro Sahara
New Fender SS

Everytime I try a new, over 2K amp I can't do it. It just doesn't sound better to me than my old stuff and besides, the vintage stuff is/has appriciated in value while the new stuff isn't and may never. As far as features go I like the sipmplicity of the old stuff.
 

guitarvc

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I have owned both vintage and modern amps and have found that I can get better tones and more useable features for live performances using modern amps. The last 3 rigs I have had were the Soldano SLO, Bogner Shiva and most recently the Egnater Mod 50. Especially with the egnater, I am able to get tones that are better than my best vintage gear...more clarity, sustain and punch and also have functionality that far surpasses anything that I have owned that was vintage. With the Egnater, I can get classy clean, mild breakup, classic rock crunch anbd searing lead tones all from one amp. Also, I can have rhythm tones and lead tones that are fully controllable. No more will I have solos that can't be heard, or rhythms that are muddy. I have a setup with a glassy clean and crunch rhythm, and solo's that are light breakup and searing liquid sustain that are about 20db louder. I sacrifice nothing.

It is like having a Blackface Twin for cleans, a totally dimed Deluxe for solos...and Bogner Blue channel like tones for crunch rhythm, red channel for leads. This is far the best single amp setup I have ever had.

Even with my SLO rig, I had to use a Twin for cleans and a Fulltone fat boost pedal for blues solos. I will put my Mod 50 up against any vintage amp...period! nly a Trainwreck would give me a "slightly better" solo tone, but at 35K I'm not sure it is worh it!
 

blackba

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Everytime I try a new, over 2K amp I can't do it. It just doesn't sound better to me than my old stuff and besides, the vintage stuff is/has appriciated in value while the new stuff isn't and may never. As far as features go I like the sipmplicity of the old stuff.
I have gotten plenty of nice amps for under $2000. Frankly $2000 is my upper limit for amps. Right now none of the amps I own did I play over $1000 for actually, but alot of them have gone up since I bought them so they are worth over $1000 now.

For me I get vintage amps if they are still reasonably priced, for example my Fender '67 Bassman. I can't afford a '60 Vox AC30, so I got an AC30CC1....
 

DiazDude

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I'm not sure the current value but I've got a 1955 Fender Tremolux. Got to be near 2K.
My Diaz CD100 head is quite a bit more. I use both at gigs quite a bit.
 

dhodgeh

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As others in this thread, I've got both:

Vintage:

64 Deluxe
75 Twin Reverb

Homebrew:

Mission 5E3

New:

Vintage Sound VS112 (BF Deluxe Reverb Clone)

I bought the VS112 while shopping for a BF Deluxe Reverb - the thing just sounded better and had the tone I was looking for.

I also think that already owning a couple of vintage amp lessened the 'must have' factor for a vintage BFDR.

fwiw

D
 
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if vintage means +20 years old, all i have left is traynor bassmaster, a tweed champ and a gibson GA-40T.

i'm terribly hard on amps and gave up on trying to maintain vintage amps. the vintage amps mentioned above are there because, apart from valve replacement and a cap replacement on the gibson, those amps have never needed work. can't say that bout the jennings era vox, tweed deluxe, silver face twin or JTM45 that i had.

i've got the traditional vintage timbres covered by modern equivalents and some 'modern' sounding amps.

i don't get the vintage amp market really. fewer and fewer vintage amps are original these days. w/ more and more amps w/ replaced components it becomes rather puzzling, to me, that the value seems to increase the way it has. up here in canada it's not unusual to run across a vintage tweed deluxe for upwards of $2500.00 CDN and, more often than not, it is not original. the pricey clones like victoria are $1000.00 cheaper, are entirely new, work well on modern AC voltages, are virtually indistinguishable from the normal spectrum of vintage amps and shouldn't need any maintenance for decades.

however, i know friends and colleagues that have nice collections of vintage amps and they love them. i'm glad that there's folks like that around, not only to keep these instruments in circulation and not occupying landfill sites, but to provide sonic targets for amp builders to aim for. to say nothing of the fodder it provides many at TGP for endless threads about the veracity of the modern 'clones'. weak, i know, but i love the look of vintage amps. i think it's odd that there is no 'tom murphy' of amp relic mastery. virtually all of the amp relics that i've seen look absolutely horrible.

that being said, there are some tremendous bargains in vintage amps still. the AC15s i see are still going for under a grand and the modern 'clones' are often much more. the 6G6 bassman is still a tremendous bargain. then there's the silvertones, magnatones and other 'off' brands that are really great amps, but are super cheap. traynor bassmaster is a great example. really, really good sounding amp w/ good headroom for cleans and drifting beautifully into saturation at band volumes, built like a tank and seem to be virtually indestructible, actually isn't embarrassed when played side by side w/ any of the high $$$ boo-teek amps and still sells regularly for under $500.00. fantastic bargain.

but i do wonder if a hundred years from now how much a trainwreck will be worth if the only thing original about it is the case, chassis, tag board and flea clips, kenny's distinctive scrawl and the control knobs.
 

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µ¿ z3®ø™;3486881 said:
. traynor bassmaster is a great example. really, really good sounding amp w/ good headroom for cleans and drifting beautifully into saturation at band volumes, built like a tank and seem to be virtually indestructible, actually isn't embarrassed when played side by side w/ any of the high $$$ boo-teek amps and still sells regularly for under $500.00. fantastic bargain.
I thought we were keeping these a secret .:rotflmao:p
 

John Phillips

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I only have modern gear.

It's certainly not that I don't like vintage amps (I love many of them), or that I'm afraid of their reliability (a well-overhauled one is at least as reliable as most modern amps), or afraid of playing out with them - and I have owned and gigged with many in the past.

They just don't have the range of tones and features I want like my modern amps do. It's really that simple.

I also think that many vintage amps have become overpriced for what you really get - even though I fully agree that no modern amp quite sounds the same - and I'm no longer interested in one even for specialist tones.


A word of warning to anyone who is considering overpaying for an all-original vintage amp 'before they get even more expensive': don't pay too much for strict originality. Every amp ever made will need its filter caps replacing eventually, and usually other parts as well, so in about another twenty years there won't be any all-originals left (apart from non-working museum pieces). So don't pay more for one that will need overhauling than one which has already been done.

I honestly think the prices will level out soon anyway. (Although I've been wrong about this before to an extent. But check the prices in real terms and you may be surprised how poor an investment they are.)
 

dave s

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I prefer and like 'vintage tone' but always opt for new gear that approximates vintage tone.

The main reasons are:

1) I'm not an amp tech

2) Not much a tinkerer either

3) Reliability is the #1 criteria for amp selection

4) Error-free performance

Even with no vintage gear in my stage rig, (amps/guitars/pedals/etc.) the value exceeds $2k by plenty!

dave
 

boltino

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1964 Fender Tremolux (Blonde/Blackface)
1992 Laney GH50L
2007 Mesa/Boogie Mark IV

I run the tremolux with a small pedalboard. The Mark IV is run in stereo with a simul-satellite and a Lexicon MPX1 in the loop. I usually just plug straight into the Laney for my Marshall fix. I really like having a vintage rig and a modern rig. I mix and match components from time to time, but it's cool to be able to approach guitar from different directions amp wise.
 

stratzrus

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µ¿ z3®ø™;3486881 said:
i don't get the vintage amp market really. fewer and fewer vintage amps are original these days. w/ more and more amps w/ replaced components it becomes rather puzzling, to me, that the value seems to increase the way it has.
I don't mind if a vintage amp has worn out electronics replaced with parts that are as good if not better, and wouldn't pay a premium price for "all original" rather than buy one that has had the filter caps replaced for much less.

While a couple of my vintage amps are worth over $2K I have never spent more than $1,650 for one and don't hesitate to play out with them.

My Super Reverb has been a real workhorse and haven't played through anything new or old that I'd rather play through when I want that type of sound.

stratzrus
 




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