Do most STP fans think that Weiland wronged the DeLeo Bros?

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  1. MESA/BUDDA

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    I've always thought so. The DeLeo brothers were the foundation of that band and put in so much work and were highly skilled musicians and songwriters.
    For guys like that a singer is often a crutch. A necessary evil in some cases. They are required to propel the song beyond being an instrumental and more into mainstream favor.
     
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  2. muzishun

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    Well Scott isn't around to defend himself so...
     
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    But I will say nobody would have ever heard of deleos if not for Scott so there's that tidbit.
     
  4. 27sauce

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    You’d think one of them would’ve just learned how to sing at some point, right? ;)
     
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    There was more to being a frontman in the 90s than being able to sing...and neither of the brothers had it.
     
  6. 27sauce

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    I think that goes without saying.

    To elevate them above him(the necessary evil, a singer) artistically, or as a songwriter, is pretty sad.

    Like I said, they were free to take the reins or get someone else....but they raped and pillaged that well(Scott) dry. It was almost exploitative.

    They wronged themselves for going back so many times.
     
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  7. Bluesful

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    Can either one actually sing decently?
     
  8. 27sauce

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    They both sing. I’ve seen Robert sing lead and he wasn’t bad at all. It was a loose, cover band situation...
     
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    For off, I am a VERY late bloomer to STP fan, I only heard the big hits and didn't pay much attention. About 2012, I heard Tripping on a Hole and thought "damn, that was good." I did a deep dive. Coming in late, the first 2 releases are my least favorite. I think Tiny Music and 4 are some of the best rock music I've heard, in my personal top 50.
    I think the question is rather dichotomous as Scott may have never met a more talented trio and the trio may have never had a better front man. I am very glad that STP has moved on and done new stuff.
     
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    Well let’s see:

    1. Because the individual in question is key to the artistic success of the band and without them there isn’t one - I’m sure we can all think of dozens of examples

    2. Because the band mates care about their fellow human being and want to help them, including by staying in the band with them (which may or may not help depending on the particular circumstances)

    3. $
     
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    Almost exploitative? Are you suggesting the brothers took advantage of Weiland?
     
  12. 27sauce

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    I mean, you know how the story is going to end, right? Yet they kept coming back, milking him for all he was worth. They were more valuable with him, dependent on him...

    He was a cash cow.
     
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    Of course he was. But even during the worst periods of Scott’s addictions & mental health issues he was a grown ass man, and accordingly, responsible for his own actions.

    There’s many factors that contribute to one becoming an addict, and biology is certainly being one of them, but @ the end of the day it’s the addict who makes the choice to begin, and continue to, indulge in the addictive substance(s) of their choice. That’s 100% on them. Pleas note I’m not suggesting Scott, or alcoholics & addicts in general, are weak individuals, don’t have the b*lls or aren’t man enough to suck it up & bootstrap their way out of their addictions, etc. That oft-touted theory is complete rubbish, born out of convenience and a limited understanding of substance abuse & addiction.

    No doubt it wasn’t many years into STP that Scott’s mental & physical health began to deteriorate rapidly. A taste for coke & heroin + easy access to them + plenty of disposable income (at least initially) to purchase narcotics greatly accelerated the decline in his health. And it’s easy to speculate that if he’d been of more sound mind & body Scott would have told the DeLeo brothers to GFY & left STP for good. But who knows? Perhaps if Scott hadn’t been in the depths of addiction & struggling w/ mental health issues he may have been totally on board w/ whoring out STP to make as much $ as possible while they still had a huge fan base. Certainly wouldn’t have been the first guy in a popular rock band to champion that sure fire way of filling their coffers.
     
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    Bass player had the charisma -- but more Svengali like than front man... Brother on guitar was pretty muted as a personality so not him.... What did you want BTO v2? That would have been bad.
     
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    Totally
     
  16. 27sauce

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    I think this sentiment could be applied to the brothers, as well.
     
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    Perhaps but I don’t think either Robert or Dean had the debilitating mental illness Weiland struggled with. Not sure what Robert was into, as far as vices go, but I believe Dean had a penchant for heroin.
     
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    I’m talking about their dependency on Weiland. Dean has struggled with drugs and alcohol.

    They designed the predicament they were in. From back to 95-97 when the first splits happened. They took him back with limitations, sanctions. But as time went on they needed him more and more to...make money.

    You can’t take power and control from the person whom success most depends on. Even if he stayed straight, the inevitable would have happened. It was a toxic situation all around.

    It also might have been different if Talk Show or any of the other off shoots worked. But, they didn’t...
     
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    Robert sings all the high backups on the hits. Try to sing some of his harmonies, it's not easy.
     
  20. 27sauce

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    Some isolated Robert
     
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