Discussion in '"Vintage" Instruments' started by Jaguarguy, Aug 29, 2017.
I think if the various 'what is vintage' threads demonstrate anything it's that it's really up to you to decide whether you want to call them vintage, and other people will make their own conclusions based on a myriad of reasons. It's a divisive topic that doesn't really do the community any good.
In my eyes, if it's old and cool, then it's interesting to me - so let's leave the definition stuff to the existing thread and hear about your guitars!
I have acquaintances who say that the 300 series BMWs aren't "real BMWs".
I have acquaintances that say the entry-level Mercedes aren't "real Mercedes".
So, it's not surprising that some people would say 40+ year old guitars are "not really vintage".
OP, those are very nice looking guitars and I expect they play and sound fantastic.
Those are both very beautiful guitars.
They have vintage vibe.
That's good enough for me.
The Custon is a '68, correct? What about that SG?
Many would say no, they aren't from the "Golden Era" but I'm not one of them.
Definitely 100% vintage.
In the case of Gibson, I'd put the dividing line at Henry buying them out. Vintage is what predates the current operation. Likewise, Fender's restructure of everything in the late 80s (I think?) seems like a decent divide.
So yes, those are way vintage, though not "golden era 1950s-early 60s."
You are correct - the Custom is a '68. The SG is a '64. Both are great players.
For acoustics I know the cutoff is 1969, when the brazilian wood started getting locked down.
For electrics it's usually when the norlin/cbs era came in for the big two. mid 60s?
but both of those are vintage in my book, cutoffs be damned.
These days, you get to define words in whatever way that you like. So if you want them to be vintage or antique or collectible, whatever model or year they are, call them whatever you want.
Not that I agree, but that seems to be the prevailing thought...
A '68 and four? If those aren't vintage there ain't no such thing.
The automotive hobbies use an age to be classic or antique...I think some use "vintage."
Antique is 35 years, so a 1982 Honda is now an Antique motorcycle!
I can see why guitar people are reluctant to adopt that system
(very, very nice LPC )
Sure they are vintage! No question, nice axes!
In a lot of general acceptance of the terms, vintage refers to anything 20 years plus. 100 years plus is then antique.
Note this does not take into account personal taste, quality, whether you like the designer or owner. They are designations of age.
Vintage is not a criterion for this particular forum.
My 2 cents with guitars, particularly solid body guitars.
-After 28 years, Guitar Center classifies it as vintage and makes the call whether to sell it in that department or not. 1992 is right around the corner for being the cut off. Hmm... This is more a marketing classification, really.
-IMHO, after surviving 30 years in the wild, one can loosely say an instrument/pedal/amp is vintage but be prepared to argue that point with a nitpicker.
-After 40 years, one can say it's vintage and possibly argue the details. 1977 was a subgeneration ago in terms of technology. CAD/CAM was not really in effect in the music world, most everything was built by hand or with a machine run by a hand. 1978 Saw Peavey using CAM, everyone followed suit soon thereafter.
-After about 50 years, it's vintage. This is pretty much the cutoff when big producers were bought out and being run by large corporations. Pre CBS and Norlin are no doubt Vintage.
I believe bought a 64 SG Special in 1971, it was considered vintage then. The reason then was that they were no longer manufactured and the new models were very different, therefore it was vintage. I called it used.
At the time I also had an early 40s Martin tenor saxophone (not the same company as Martin guitars). Now THAT was vintage.
One way to solve it: In post titles for this forum, cite the year. "1975 Vintage Les Paul", for example. No one could argue with that since it is factual and doesn't involve subjective opinion. They can also choose to skip the thread based on their opinions.
All my guitars are cool and vintage and everyone else's are just useless junk. That kind of sum it up, no?