Do you know this chord!?

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  1. papersoul

    papersoul Member

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    Hi guys! I am learning a song a friend wrote for our band and it is in drop D which really throws me off! I can't find myself around the board in drop D for some reason, throws me out of wack. Anyway, this chord is unrelated to drop D but he uses it. Open A, fret F at the 4th string 3rd fret and the Bb at the 3rd string 3rd fret. Anyone know what this is? It goes from a Bb to this chord.

    I am also trying to find the key. The chords are the one above, Bb, Eb, F, G, and Ab. Odd, huh.

    Can anyone help with that chord and the key? I need to write a lead for this but am struggling with the key unless it changes keys.

    Thanks!

    I think the key is Eb?
     
  2. fish78

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    Maybe its a "secret chord, that David played...."
     
  3. Clifford-D

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    How about Bbmaj7/D as a choice
     
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    I think he's saying the low D isn't being played. I'd think of it as either an inversion of Bbmaj7 or Bbmaj7/F. Maybe even Fsus in terms of it's function, but of course hearing it in context might change that.
     
  5. Sunil

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    Actually, a Dm6 chord is D-F-A-B, not Bb. The "6" in a m6 chord refers to a note that's a major 6th above the root in a minor triad, not the interval of a minor 6th. If there is a D in the chord, you could either call it Dm addb6, or Bbmaj7/D as Cliff mentioned. If there is no D, then it's a bit murky, and assigning a name to it would have more to do with where the chord is coming from and/or going to. I'd probably notate it as Bbmaj7 no 3rd (Bb, no D, F, A). No straightforward answer for this one.

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  6. JonR

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    IMO, "Bb/A" is the best name for it. The "maj7" is not needed, and might imply the inclusion of a higher A.
    Of course (without a D), there's no 3rd...

    The other chords - Bb, Eb, F, G, and Ab - suggests a mix of F major and F minor, but if the low D is used a lot, that makes it more of a D minor/D phrygian (even locrian) vibe. (The chord in question would also suggest a D minor key centre.)

    A lot depends on (1) what the keynote FEELS like - what chord does the song end on? and (2) how long each of the above chords lasts: what are the primary chords? Can you post the sequence (with the beats per chord)?

    Obviously you can put the chord roots together and get a scale: Eb F G Ab Bb = part of the Eb or Ab major scales (or C or F minor).
    Add the 5ths (Bb, C, D, Eb, F) it comes out as Eb major/C minor. (This is assuming the chords are all power chords...)
    That doesn't imply a key centre, but it does suggest a scale that might work on all the chords.
    Over a D key centre, that makes it (on the face of it) D locrian mode. A little unlikely, IMO, but possible.

    ...oops, that's ignoring the A root in the previously mentioned A and Bb/A chords... That points even more strongly to a D phrygian key centre, with the Ab as (presumably) a passing chord, or derived from a blues b5. Or maybe there's a key change in the middle of the song...
     
  7. trazan

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    Yeah, Bb/A. The chord coming after this one is either a Bb or a G something? Just from the collection of chords, I'd guess the key is Bb, but it's impossible to say without the chord sequences, maybe even melody.
     
  8. Austinrocks

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    your exactly right
     
  9. trazan

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    The thing is, the A is just a "movement", coming from Bb, and drop D people hardly ever use 3rds anyway :RoCkIn :)
     
  10. papersoul

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    Thanks guys! With all your genorous help, I am slowly getting a better grip on theory, soloing, etc. I am not a huge fan of drop D because it messes with my knowledge of the fretboard. Based on the chords, I thought this would be Eb. I was thinking of those chords as a scale and took those notes of the scale as Eb. However, I see what you all mean, it depends on the note order! I think I am slowly getting this.

    Yes, so this is the original chord in question.

    e-----x
    b-----x
    g-----3 Bb
    d-----3 F
    A-----0 A
    D-----x

    One chord I forgot(D,A,D) played the bottom three strings together. Do you know this chord? Is this a D chord?

    Thinking to myself, this is the main progression. Bb - Bb/A - Eb, Eb (D,A,D) - Eb - F, F - G - Ab.
    Then this is before the lead Ab - G -Ab - G - Ab - G.

    There is a single note melody over the first progression and I think it is based on a D scale. Something like this F G C D Eb, F G C D Eb F G Eb G Eb F. Again this order is not exact for sure and it is hard to relate the melody.

    Sorry I can't notate the rhyhtm or cadence of it all.
     
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  11. trazan

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    So the the D is played after all? If so, the chord would rather be Bbmaj7/D or Dmin(b6). The key, from what I can hear and see, is Bb.
     
  12. papersoul

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    Nope, sorry, just changed it above.
     
  13. Swain

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    I knew a Chord much like this one, once. But, that was a long time ago. And I'm still not ready to talk about it.
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