Discussion in 'Amps and Cabs' started by Sonic Reducer, Aug 18, 2005.
not really. i'll probably get flamed but i happen to like the matchless a lot more. i might not have played "the" right vox though yet
A Matchless DC-30 is one of the coolest amps...
I like them better than all the Vox's I've heard too.
Most of the Matchless amps are basically hot-rodded Voxes. If you look at the phase inverter and power amp, they are identical except for 2 minor capacitor changes.
The preamps are where the differences may be found. Again, there are many similarities between Vox and Matchless, but Matchless introduced some very interesting features (plus a good amount of gain).
Matchless is like an evolution of Vox--and a good one at that. A very refined amp with an attitude. What's not to love?
Agreed. I had a DC30 for a couple of years......fantastic response for edgy rock tunes. One thing, though......it is one LOUD mofo, even in 1/2 power mode with twin 5V4 rectifiers. I never liked the sound of the amp with the MV engaged.....too thin sounding. Mine was a '94.
Ah, but if you can live without the pentode channel, the Lightning is way cool too. It has been my go-to amp for about a year now. It's still freakin' loud, but at least bearable at 15 (very loud) watts.
use your Lehle to switch to a Nighthawk and you'll have the whole DC30 (but at 15 watts instead of 30 watts)!
I've been starting a build on a 30 watt version of the lightning. I guess it's pretty close to the 12AX7 channel on the DC30, but that's only on paper.
I'm hoping to squeeze out just a little more headroom. The trannies are just monsters.
You should get exactly what you want with that, Scott. You will basically have the triode channel of the DC30 with more clean headroom than the Lightning. That will be hard to beat.
Truth be told, my favorite Lightning is one I built for myself... Many times, clones can sound better than originals--especially if the parts are premium and the attention to detail is where the focus is.
Good luck and let us know how it turns out!
BTW, don't you live somewhere in my neck of the woods?
3 hours south of you...
Do a Matchless DC30 and a Vox AC30 sound alike?
As noted above, the DC-30's clean channel uses the AC30 as a starting point.
The DC-30 then adds an EF86-driven gain channel (and how!) and a half power switch and a MV. A DC-30 on half power is the loudest 15 watt amp on Planet Earth. I, too, never use the MV. It's got the trademark Matchless voicing.
Part of the magic of the DC30 (2x12 combo) is the speaker array: Mismatched speakers wired to 4 ohms, give a jangle, swirl and 3-D depth that is addictive. It really matters.
If you're interested in Voc AC30 alternatives, also check out the Top Hat King Royale. Also starts with the AC30 thing, then adds a second channel and some really useful switches up front to make it a two-channel amp with an A/B/Y box.
They are evolutions of the AC30, not clones.
Not at all to me. I MUCH prefer the Vox. The matchless farting on the low end I just can not put up with. the Vox is also much smoother and rubbery sounding. the matchless shoots out notes like a firehose.
Yup, those firemen have a real ear for good tone. I guess that's why they are always gushing.
Well.........the short answer is NO!
I used to own both and side by side the original AC/30 was just more dimensional with more push.
Another thing I remember was the headroom.
The Matchless 'farted-out' if really pushed and the AC/30 just got better and better with more volume.
Sadly, I own neither today....................
>>The Matchless 'farted-out' if really pushed and the AC/30 just got better and better with more volume<<
It had GAS.
Anyone try the Dr. Z Maz Sr.? Where does it fall in comparison to the AC 30?
Mine isn't as loud as the DC30, has more traditional EQ and reverb so it's easier for a beginner to dial in, and is much lighter. I'd be hard pressed to say which I like better, they're just different. I guess I'd say the Z is more a Fender sound with EL84s.
I don't have either. But I play with someone who has a sweet AC30. I DO mean sweet. When you jump the channels and crank it...it's hard to beat. But in my opinion it needs to be cranked to get the sweet sound. And it is EXTREMELY loud.