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Dr. Z + ToneBender Mk2 style pedal = Jimmy Page 1970 RAH tone?

Discussion in 'Effects, Pedals, Strings & Things' started by Luke Mardinian, Dec 8, 2015.

  1. Luke Mardinian

    Luke Mardinian Member

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    The tone I'm chasing right now is that Jimmy Page RAH 1970 tone and wanted to see if it was a possible with this setup. Let me show you a clip of how much gain he seems to have on tap ( ) Skip to 5:00 and wait for him to turn up his guitar volume knob. I was thinking of going for a attenuator first then a Tonebender Mk2 type pedal like the one he used. My Dr. Z Route 66 is coming soon and I just wanted to know how to nail that tone.
     
  2. Gracehoper

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    Everyone should have a Tonebender. So yes, get one.

    Also, Catalinbread shaped their appropriately named RAH pedal after JP's tone at that concert, so check that one out. I haven't tried it though:

    http://proguitarshop.com/catalinbread-rah.html
     
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    Personally, I didn't hear that much gain increase, but a lot of volume and saturation/sustain increase. IIRC he played a Hiwatt here so he was probably playing extremely loud and had a good bit of speaker breakup as well.
     
  4. la noise

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    There ain't a damn bit of Tonebender in
    that clip that I can hear, sir. :nono

    I personally feel that Page's
    TB usage is both overstated
    and overrated. Most likely to
    sell more pedals.

    If Jimmy used a TB he used one
    sparingly, and only in the studio near
    as I can tell.

    This sounds like all amp, and a dude
    who knows how to ride his volume,
    as well as use his pickup selector, to
    my ears.
     
  5. la noise

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    A TB is going to get way more compressed
    than anything in that clip.... Way more!
     
  6. Luke Mardinian

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    I kind of thought the same, but really not sure at all. I know he uses those pickup selectors extremely well and rides his knobs, which is now natural for me, but wasn't certain of what he did to get that boost there.

    Aww c'mon man, now this is gonna be even more difficult. I know he used a Hiwatt modded to add extra gain, but with the Dr. Z Route 66 I have now plus a TB (I do love that tonebender sound) do you think I could get into the same region? The only reason I thought he'd be using a TB here was because he was still seen using them in 71 and stuff, but it may be all amp as well. From your experience (If my first suggestion wasn't correct) what could I do with the Route 66 that would get that type of tone?
     
  7. la noise

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    Have you played a TB before? :huh

    They are pretty raucous and wooly... and
    can get REALLY compressed. Using a TB
    you'd tend not to get the amp-like response
    Page exhibits in his live playing like above.
     
  8. la noise

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    My recommendation? Play a big amp LOUD! ;)

    Short of that the Catalinbread RAH would give
    the ability to shape your tone, and push your
    Z a bit to get you somewhat close at a lower
    volume. Somewhat. :)
     
  9. la noise

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    The Lumpy's ZII gets a lot of love
    around here, too. It's far gainier
    than the clip above, though. In
    my experience you can't get the
    gain rolled off enough on it to
    get into the territory above
    when Jimmy is running his
    guitar wide open.
     
  10. Jet Age Eric

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    Bonetender is more like a Vox Tone Bender--nasally (but a great choice for that effect). Try a SolidGoldFX Rosie, which was named for "How Many More Times," or some other Professional MKII-type--I'm referring to that super fat, saturated tone right after the 5:00 mark. -E
     
  11. theanalogdream

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    @la noise There's plenty of evidence that Jimmy used them live. I think it's important to remember that a) he didn't use it all the time... just to send things over the edge. b) In an interview I saw recently, Jimmy said he "NEVER" turns the guitars volume up all the way. That would affect the way the fuzz is interacting with the amp for sure.
     
  12. la noise

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    Cool topic. I guess I just grow
    leery of all the Tonebender and Page
    talk on some forums like TGP. :dunno

    It was never a central element of his
    tone or playing, was it? In fact, isn't it
    a pretty widely held view that his use
    of the Tonebender was more extensive
    with the Yardbirds than with Zeppelin....
    and that he, in fact, pretty much went away
    from using a Tonebender in Zeppelin early on,
    and only then did he use it sporadically
    in the early years on a couple of songs.

    Was it ever a central part of his live tone in
    Zeppelin? Hardly. :)
     
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    I've also heard arguments about EC using Tonebenders or something like that on Beano... but.. that's not relevant.

    OP, you'll like this, methinks.





     

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