Dr.Z vs Bassman LTD vs Valvetech VAC

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  1. ben_allison

    ben_allison Member

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    I want a "tweed" inspired platform to build from, and I've narrowed it down to these amps. Which of these offerings will have the most headroom, handle the most lowend with out flubbing out, and offer the most depth and harmonic complexity?

    - Dr. Z Z28
    - Dr. Z Delta 88
    - Bassman LTD
    - Valvetech VAC

    For the sake of ease, let's assume they're all being played in a 4x10 configuration.
     
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    I might also add a Dr. Z Stringray or Prescription to the mix...too many of their amps sound good!
     
  3. Jack Walker

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    Ben,

    I've owned lots of Dr.Z amps. They all have their own character and sound great. To this day my favorite of all was the Super Z which is the Maz 38 with three 10s. I would try this one before you made your final decision.
    I think you'll be pleasantly surprised.
     
  4. Madison

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    ben, although I'm quite fond of the two above amps, if you're going for a "tweed" platform, with no flubbing out...the Z28 is probably your best bet in the Z line.
     
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    I've been leaning to the z28.

    Now, in a decent sized club, how much clean head room would the z28 have? I really want to have as much clean (with a teeny-tiny bit of hair) as possible, and push it with pedals.

    Just more control for the way I play (not really a volume roller).

    Would I have to worry about it clipping too soon, or would some careful tube and speaker selection be in order?
     
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    Just a suggestion but the Z-forum's Z-28 section will get way into the micro details of this amp.

    I have a '28 and love it. It does a buttery clean before it hits breakup. I wouldn't characterize it as having tons of headroom but way more than the Rt.66 I used to own. The tone stack in combo with the ef86 offers alot of tonal variety and the amp is very kind to pedals. A Z airbrake has brought out a whole new world of possibilities in this amp also. You may want to consider one of those.
     
  7. Madison

    Madison Supporting Member

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    Stick a Tonker or equally efficient speaker in it for max clean headroom...it'll get plenty loud.
     
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    Ok. That's what I figured.

    Thanks for the pointers.
     
  9. Jack Walker

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    I've owned one too. It's like a fender deluxe on steroids.
    If you're using single coils you can get right loud before you go into breakup. I haven't tried it with humbuckers.
    Breakup is smooth and fat depending on the speaker(s) of course.
     
  10. E-Rock

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    My Z28 blows the doors off every amp I have ever played.
    I'm using a 2x12 with a Swamp Thang and a V30, and it is LOUD!
    I set it just on the edge, and use pedals too push it over the top.
    It seems to have just the right amount of headroom for the clubs we play.
    Depending on where you set the tone controls, you can get more headroom.
    And speakers will play a huge roll in how loud you are.
    You can't go wrong with Z.....
     
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    Z-28 with an open back 4x10 with AlNiCOs is right there. 5751 in V2 for a tweed tone, 12AX7 in V2 for a more agressive black face tone, and 12AY7 in V2 for lots of clean headroom.

    Delta 88 is about as far from that as you can get.

    Bassman LTD is a great amp at a great price and with a few front end tube changes is amazing for the $$$$$

    I know nothing about the Valvetech.

    Stay clear of cathode biased amps or EL84 amps in general as they have a much different feel and player feedback than a grid biased 6L6 based bassman.
     
  12. teefus

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    the valvetech is worth listening to if you ever want to venture into higher gain the some of the other amps you mentioned. i have a hayseed custom and a vac 50 watter that are probably different than what you are specifically looking for but can cover that territory pretty easily.
     

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