Early Break up 10's for my Bassman

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  1. Marble

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    Its time for some new speakers for my Plexi'd Bassman 10. I have Mojotone 10s (40 watt, 8 ohms) in there. I want something with early breakup, but not as much breakup as a Weber DT-10 might have. A Greenback 10" would be great, but I can't afford 4 the Celestion 10's.

    What do you reccomend? The WGS Veteran 10's look good, they are priced right for me. They say "crunchy cone breakup". I don't want a Vintage 30 style-speaker, but I'm wondering if they are a 10" version of them.
     
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    Weber Signature 10's...great speaker, early break up and VERY low price for such a great speaker.
     
  4. throbert

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    I would think the Weber 10" CTS Alnico copy would be a good choice.
     
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    http://www.thegearpage.net/board/showthread.php?t=646099

    Here is a link to my THD's for sale. they are 10 watts, 20 peak and were designed for Bassmans. I have two of these and two Weber 10A150's in a Super, which used to have the same Mojo's you have (I think), that I replaced with the THD's; and boy, what a difference! Anyways, just trying to sell some stuff and I think it may be what you're looking for.

    :aok
     
  6. FFTT

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    I agree on the Weber AlNiCo 10's
     
  7. Marble

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    Should I get the Alnico ones then? FFTT chimes in that those are the ones to get. I think my Mojos are alnico, but aren't Ceramics "better"? Both the alnico and ceramic signature (non-"S") say they break up early.

    The Alnicos are 15 watts and the Ceramics are 25...My Bassman is ~50 watts and I do crank it to 10 whenever possible...The speaker wiring is 4 8ohm speakers wired to equal 8 ohms total, and I'm not an expert but I don't know how much power each one of those speakers would be getting in that configuration.

    Right now, in order to avoid premature speaker blowing, I think the Weber ceramics will only work...someone explain how 4 8ohm 15 watt speakers could be wired up to equal an 8 ohm load and not be blown up.

    So it seems to be between those and the Veteran 10's, I wonder if anyone has feedback on how well those WGS speakers are.
     
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    Weber 10F100's at 15watts each will hold up better than the Signatures which if you play all-out will not hold up, the bottom end will fart-out.
    10F100's Tweeeeed Kerraunch, Awesome!

    Grungy:cool:
     
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  9. Marble

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    I read that the Weber signature 10s (non-S of course...) roll off the highs. I can't significantly lose any highs from my tone, and if the speaker isn't letting the highs through there is no way to get them back obviously.
     
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    The ceramic ones or the alnico ones? Also, I think there's a Sig 10 and a Sig 10S for each magnet type (the "S" ones being ribbed cone with later breakup, the non-S being smooth cone with alot of early breakup.

    I have two of the ceramic 10S's in my bassman and they're very blackface sounding-- more scooped, bigger bass, a little "harder" sounding. The other 2 speakers in this bassman (a tweed reissue) are one of the smooth cone alnicos, and then an Emi Ramrod I got for cheap.

    I'm seriously considering getting 3 of the alnico 10S's and swapping all but the smooth cone out-- that way, if I need more "dirt" in a mic'ed sound, I can just stick the mic on the smooth coned one...

    Let me know if you want the two ceramic Sig10S's I have-- I can sell 'em for cheap.
     
  11. spookyelectric

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    I had posted on the Weber forums in the fall of last year, and Ted noted on there that he very safely rates the Sig series stuff--- he said the 15 watters could handle 25 watts. I think he said something to the effect of "I'm a conservative old guy-- they're rated at 25 watts, so go ahead and beat on 'em" :) RIP, Ted.
     
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    10a100 although I prefer 10a125s which have later breakup
     
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    good stuff spookyelectric, I think I read something like that yesterday actually. Now its just a matter of how much highs the Sig Series rolls off..and how they sound at high volumes. I think I also read something that these speakers are for low-to-moderate volume levels.

    I'm wondering how soon the non-S speakers breakup. If I'm at 10 on the Bassman, I like to be able to be clean anywhere between 2-4 on my volume knob, with moderate-to-high output pickups. I don't want to still hear a crap ton of speaker breakup. What I do want is when my volume is at 7 and above to get some real tasty grainy, sparkly speaker breakup, like how a Greenback sounds. The Greenbacks aren't distorted at all volumes.

    Remember my Bassman has a fairly common "Plexi" type mod in it..its a '76 as well. The goal is to push the power tubes and speakers into distortion/compression with minimal preamp distortion (my gain knob is between 3-5 on my Bassman; there's no numbers on it), while still being able to clean up at low guitar volumes.

    Maybe the S series will be what I want. I want a similar frequency response that my Mojos had, not losing too much high end.

    I guess I'm a bit confused about earlier break-up and later breakup...The ribbed and non-ribbed speakers are both going to break-up, hopefully along the lines of a Greenback (the bench mark sound), I just don't know how much and when exactly. Will the S sigs only break up when absolutely pushed? Will the Non-S breakup at 2? Wish I could try 'em all out!!
     
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    I would be temped to try a pair of the CTS AlNiCo's cross matched with
    a pair of ceramic blue pups.
     
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    I'm not one to really mix speakers, but that could be good.
     
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