Epiphone Casino-rattles and buzzes

JPGR64

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I've got an Epiphone Casino (made in Korea), had it for a long while now, and it has a problem with what I think are one or both of the pickups buzzing. I'm trying to get to the bottom of it.....

....But my question is about the newer Casinos. How are they in that regard? Mine has always been a bit susceptible to this as well as the pots getting scratchy and the 1/4" jack screwing up, etc.

I've read reviews about the Elite model, and most seem pretty positive, but I've also seen people complain about the same sort of problems I've got with my older Korean model. I'd hate to buy a $2000 guitar and have it buzzing or rattling.

Thanks.
 

Kmaz

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And U2 Rattles & Hums!

The only buzzing I've heard about with a Casino is regarding the bridge. Sounds like a ground issue?
 

cap10kirk

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The hardware and electronics are where they really cut costs on Epiphones. I've had problems with stock pots, jacks, and switches on all my Epiphones, and I've had problems with the bridge on my Epi Les Paul. I always buy Epiphones expecting to upgrade all the electronics, just part of it, but the pickups themselves have never given me problems. The Elitist models are the exception to that, they're just built to a little higher standard, but I have trouble justifying the extra cost. For what the Elitist Casinos cost, I can get a Gibson, or better yet an Edwards, or Ibanez, or (insert pretty much any brand here) equivalent.
If you're happy with the guitar you have, there's no reason to get a much more expensive version, just because you need to fix a couple things imo. That's kinda like sending a perfectly good car to the junkyard because you wore out the tires on it. I'd just figure out where the rattles and buzzes are coming from, and fix that problem, if it were me.
 

Ferrous_Wheel

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My MIK Casino picks up some hum in the neck and bridge positions but quiets down with the selector in the center. The controls are wired a little bit wonky though; turning the neck volume all the way down with both pickups selected kills all the output.

I really like the way it plays and it's otherwise solid so I'm looking into new pickups and wiring for it. I doubt you'd be much happier with a MIC model—as far as I know the pickups are the same, and they've never been the best feature of the Casino. Way overwound, and the metal covers might be bringing noise into the circuit in some cases.

I'm leaning toward Creamery hum-canceling pickups for mine.
 

mc5nrg

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The description of how turning one pu off kills both with the selector i the middle is normal Gibson style wiring. Sounds like the pups are reverse wound reverse polarity so both on kills the p90 hum.

Re:the op....what do you mean by buzz?
 

Ferrous_Wheel

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The description of how turning one pu off kills both with the selector i the middle is normal Gibson style wiring.

Well today I learned! I had no idea. I think I'll probably go with a different, less "correct" scheme if I swap the pickups.
 

JPGR64

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Re:the op....what do you mean by buzz?

Sorry I wasn't more clear with that. It's a sympathetic buzz that happens (really comes through on the A string or A note), not an electrical one. But it does get picked up by the pickups, so you can hear it in recordings.

I think it's the bridge pickup. If I press down on the pickup or on the guitar between the pickups, it doesn't seem to happen.

If you're happy with the guitar you have, there's no reason to get a much more expensive version, just because you need to fix a couple things imo. That's kinda like sending a perfectly good car to the junkyard because you wore out the tires on it. I'd just figure out where the rattles and buzzes are coming from, and fix that problem, if it were me.

I guess I was thinking the Elite model would be more the real deal all the way around. But if it's not really much different, then I suppose just fixing mine up would make more sense.

It's a shame that Casinos seem kind of crappy. I've got a cheap Yamaha guitar and a bass, and an Agile guitar, and in regard to this sort of problem, they are pretty solid!!
 

windjamma

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I had a rattle on my es-330 and it turned out to be the switch when it was in the middle position.

Quick squirt with cleaner solved it.
 

665

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One area to check is the pickguard. Ive eliminated rattle on my ES-330 by placing a couple of layers of duct tape over the treble side of the dog ear underneath the pickguard on the bridge pickup. Also try rolling up some fabric and placing it under the trapeze.
 

Sam Sherry

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Two that worked for me on different guitars at different times:

. Thin cardboard shim under the neck pickup kept the unit from rattling against the top

. Elmers gluing a piece of rubber band to the part of the pickup tab that the pickguard sits on prevented the pickguard from rattling
 
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Jason_77

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I occasionally get rattling in my Casino too. I've discovered that, being a fully hollow guitar, it resonates enough to work some of the screws just loose enough to cause things to buzz. Usually its the screws holding the pickups to the body. Now here's where it gets weird... I also discovered that there's a definite sweet spot. If you go beyond that and over-tighten the screws, it buzzes again but with a distinctly different sound.
 

Da Geezer

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Well today I learned! I had no idea. I think I'll probably go with a different, less "correct" scheme if I swap the pickups.
If you switch/swap the middle and outside lug wires (not the ground) from "normal" the pots will become independent.
I have most of my 2x volume guitars wired this way (except the Les Pauls....an LP was my first guitar and the interaction between the pots just seems normal to me on those)
But on everything else, its independence all the way :aok
 




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