Epiphone Casino vs Gibson 135???

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  1. onemoretime

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    I have a very nice Epiphone IBJL Casino but am looking at a Gibson ES-135 P90 (on eBay). I am guessing there isn't going to be much difference tonally between the 2? The IBJL has Gibson USA electronics.

    I've never played an ES-135 but am going to assume it has a 50's fat neck and the pickups are P90's and not the P100's right?

    Honestly, I don't know why I am getting the itch to buy, but those single cutaway Gibsons just have a way of getting to me. I've owned 2 ES-137's (one cherryburst one triburst) and sold them both because neither held a candle to my ES-335. I am guessing the ES-135 is going to have the same feel (stiff). Do you think I am going to find the same thing comparing it to my Casino once I get the ES-135 in my hands?
     
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  2. StanG

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    I don't know the differences between the guitars, but if I wanted to find out, I'm sure I could find out in about 30 seconds on google.

    The tonal stuff is subjective.
     
  3. swiveltung

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    The 135 is semi hollow, the Epi is hollow. They will be somewhat different. I've often itched for a 135 myself, never pulled the trigger. Had a '59 ES225 which is hollow for a while though.
     
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    Pretty sure they were P100s rather than P90s, coupled with the Chromite (Balsa) center block. Still a great design though, and a little different to a Casino if you're looking for a contrast.
     
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    Gee Stan, that was genius and so good of you to share your experiences with the subject guitar.

    It's the subjective stuff that I am interested in which you obviously don't get. Do you buy your guitars solely based on specs?
     
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    I can't speak for a Casino, but the difference between the 137 Custom I used to own and the P90 loaded 135 that I now own is like night and day.

    To me, the 137 always sounded like a big ass Les Paul and had zero hollow body vibe to it. I sold it and then bought a '91 ES-135. I did change the P100s out for P90s, but honestly I thought the 100s were decent. To me, the 135 sounds like a good old-school hollow body should. I can cover anything from BB King to Setzer to Thorogood, which is just what I was looking for. Short of buying a vintage ES-225, I'm totally happy. Honestly, I like that the 135 has a thicker body than a 225 would.

    I say go for it.

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    I don't understand why some people have to pile on others for asking a question? This is a Music Gear forum so we should be safe to ask and talk about gear. Cripes!
     
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    ES 135 w/p90s is a real unsung treasure. You can cover anything with one o' these! Just get rid of the p100s.
     
  9. onemoretime

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    That is exactly how I felt about the ES-137, I was pretty much underwhelmed. The 135 sounds like what I was looking for in the 137. I had listened to some clips from Greg's Guitars and was really impressed with the 135 and how articulate sounding it seemed to be. Unfortunately, that guy makes every guitar he plays sound like a choir of angels. I bought a Guild Starfire IV after listening to one of his demos and the guitar did not disappoint.
     
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    I feel like on the 137, the mahogany center block and the stoptail tend to deaden the guitar and make it act more like a solidbody, whereas on the 135, you're dealing with a chromyte (balsa) center block and a trapeze. They (the 135s) wind up being more airy and vibrant.
     
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    I am itching to take a 135 and swap out the pickups for mini humbuckers.
     
  12. StanG

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    To an extent, yes. To me it is about the specs and the individual guitar. Asking someone else whether I will like something subjective seems pointless to me.

    I've bought and sold a lot of guitars over the years, and think I know what I like and want.
     
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    The 135 is thicker? I didn't know that. I probably don't want one now.. :aokThanks! you saved me money!
    My 225 was about the same as a 335.
     
  14. Stormin

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    Yeah, the 225 and 335 are true thinline thickness (1-3/4") The 135 and 137 are thicker (2-1/2") and the 175 is the thickest (3-1/2"?)
     
  15. Jon C

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    I owned a really nice 135 for several years and played many gigs with it (one of the few guitars I've let go that I miss), and I own a Casino.

    They are quite different IMO. Casino is hollow (it's essentially an ES-330 in design), much more prone to feedback, a very different kind of response than a 135. It can feedback but it can be pushed a lot more before it does with the semihollow body.

    IMO two related but distinct critters.
     

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