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RolandKorg

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What's the deal??
I don’t get it, either. I have always equated them with ‘thin, jangly, and cheap.’ The Beatles tone. But, if y’all could direct me toward a better reference, I’d be happy to add one to my shopping list.
 

jujube

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I have an ES-330 61 VOS reissue with Bigsby. Just a great guitar! It has perfect crunch tones but also great clean tones.
 

Beyer260

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Regarding the recent offshore reissues-

-The older, Korean made ones had narrow, thin necks. The recent Chinese ones are more normal.
-The pickups on both versions are overwound and have metal covers, which make them sound very dull.
-Replacing the pickups is difficult because the covers are unusually shaped and sized.

Other than that, they're fun guitars.
 

HTSMetal

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-Replacing the pickups is difficult because the covers are unusually shaped and sized.
Just for future reference, the GFS Alnico Dogear P90s are drop in replacements and sound absolutely stellar. I did need to use a spacer to raise the bridge pickup height a bit, but size-wise they fit the existing holes and mounts perfectly on the more recent Chinese made Casino.
 

3of5

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I don’t get it, either. I have always equated them with ‘thin, jangly, and cheap.’ The Beatles tone. But, if y’all could direct me toward a better reference, I’d be happy to add one to my shopping list.
I've had this MIJ Elitist Casino for over a decade. It is definitely not thin or jangly nor in any way cheap. I find that it has a wonderfully airy, smooth and full sound that is harmonically rich.
After a decade I still cannot find a single flaw in the construction or finish. As fine a guitar as I have ever owned.

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Jayyj

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Yeah, a good Casino is anything but thin and jangly. They sit nicely between a 335 and a 50s style archtop guitar, with plenty of sweetness in the neck pickup but a decent amount of bite and snarl from the bridge. Casinos and 330s have been popular guitars in indie/alternative with the likes of Daniel Kessler (Interpol) and 90s era Paul Weller favouring Casinos and William Reid (J&MC), Bernard Butler, Elliott Smith and Mark Linkous all 330 fans.

I'm not personally a fan of the Chinese Casinos but I had a Japanese one that was a really nice guitar and use a 60s ES330 as my main gig guitar.
 

teleman1

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Regarding the recent offshore reissues-

-The older, Korean made ones had narrow, thin necks. The recent Chinese ones are more normal.
-The pickups on both versions are overwound and have metal covers, which make them sound very dull.
-Replacing the pickups is difficult because the covers are unusually shaped and sized.

Other than that, they're fun guitars.
Chinese in the past 5 years has been great. Yes the pickups suck and mine has an Antiquity in the neck & Wolfetone mean in the bridge. But also, it responds extremely well to a hardware change I used Protones & Kluson. I had a Lennon Casino which was a fine guitar, but then I found the Coupe with a meaty neck, none of that useless whoosy thin neck stuff. FYI, the Lennon neck was not skinny at all.
 

Mr. Crow

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Regarding the recent offshore reissues-

-The older, Korean made ones had narrow, thin necks. The recent Chinese ones are more normal.
-The pickups on both versions are overwound and have metal covers, which make them sound very dull.
-Replacing the pickups is difficult because the covers are unusually shaped and sized.

Other than that, they're fun guitars.
Just for future reference, the GFS Alnico Dogear P90s are drop in replacements and sound absolutely stellar. I did need to use a spacer to raise the bridge pickup height a bit, but size-wise they fit the existing holes and mounts perfectly on the more recent Chinese made Casino.
Very good information. Thanks.
 

Beyer260

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Just for future reference, the GFS Alnico Dogear P90s are drop in replacements and sound absolutely stellar. I did need to use a spacer to raise the bridge pickup height a bit, but size-wise they fit the existing holes and mounts perfectly on the more recent Chinese made Casino.
I've never seen the GFS dogears, but my understanding was that most aftermarket dogears would fit in the hole, but the height and angle of the cover was different so the pickup wasn't flush with the strings and could cause issues with low action:


How much of an issue this is in the real world, I can't say. The problem with casinos is that the pickups aren't height adjustable, so you have to shim them (as you did) and live with it.
 




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