Epiphone Elitist Casino ***Need Info Please***

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  1. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    I recently traded my Elitist Casino to a member for his Tele and he came back to me saying that the pickups and electronics are not as they should be.

    I have no reason not to trust this members integrity or knowledge but I want to know if I bought this elitist Casino with "Non-Elitist" pickups/electronics or if this guitar is just not what the person was expecting.

    He sent me two videos so I can't post them but I found this link (in French unfortunately) that has photos of the pickups which look exactly like the backs of mine.

    http://guitare.perso.free.fr/Epiphone_fichiers/Epiphone_Elitist_1965_Casino.htm

    Here is the link that this person was going off about the switchcraft toggle. I can't tell from the video if the toggle is switchcraft, but the pots are the small ones and he said they should be the larger pots.

    http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Archtop/Elitist-Casino.aspx

    Looks like I am going to reverse the deal to avoid any problems and because I'm not 100% sure if he's right or if his expectations were just not met. I'm sure Epiphone could change the electronics at any time and not update their page.

    Thank you!
    Jeff
     
  2. feet

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    though i have no experience at all with a casino i have dissected other elitist guitars and you are (probably) absolutely correct (i guess). mini pots with bitty caps and epiphone sticker-ed pickups. switch is not labeled "switchcraft". the solid bodies have full sized pots, the semis (and now hollows i'm assuming, after this thread) do not.

    as to what the pickups are, it depends who you believe. they are either rebranded gibson pickups (57 classics in most cases) or mystery pickups from a non existent "epiphone usa" who only makes slightly inferior parts for their japanese made guitars, but not the mik's or mic's. some people swear they can hear a difference between the "epi usa" pups and the "real thing", others do not. they didn't even bother to sticker the minis in the elitist line- they are identical in appearance to the real thing.

    it is also worth noting that despite all the talk of us made electronics, they are still metric parts, including the bridge and studs. you'll have to route the holes if you replace the pots.

    maybe he misread or misunderstood somthing- musicians friend still lists the pickups as usa p90s (but not gibson). maybe for the newest current ones they stopped the rebadgeing/stickering, i don't know.

    in conclusion, you are not a thief, you just look like one. :mmm

    here's a handy breakdown of the various casinos:

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  3. iluvfender

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    I own an elitist and I only paid $800 for it. To me, that's about right. I think its a looker.... player?....ok
     
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  5. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    Thanks for the information guys
     
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    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    Thank you guys! I needed to know if I had sent a product that was not as it should have been. I can't speak for Gibson or what they do to their guitars, but now I'm confident that what I sent was an unaltered Elitist Casino.

    We're returning the guitars to each other, but at least I know my guitar is as it should be. I also joined the Epiphone forum for this and they confirmed the same.

    Very disappointed because I loved the tele that I got on my end of the deal. If he had said that he just didn't like the guitar I would have felt bad and traded back, but based on what he was telling me I wasn't going to just reverse the deal until I, in my head at least, had a grasp where the problem lied.

    He still maintains that the guitar isn't as advertised, but at least I know now.

    I'll post a part of his last quote since it was sent to my personal email and I haven't divulged his name.

    "The bottom line is that for the guitar to have the value of $1300, the guitar needs to have the Gibson pickups, wiring, pots, Switchcraft switch, jack and nickel hardware per the current advertised specs. Those things help to create the value of that instrument. The website specs are current."
     
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    Well, take solace in the fact that when he ends up getting another one that turns out to have the same electronics and pickups, he'll feel like a royal ass.
     
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    :agree
     
  9. feet

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    he may be confusing the specs with that of the 61 casino reissue, which state:

    but that was a limited run of 1961 guitars. if he isn't misinformed, it sounds like he was chasing value and not after a guitar, or buyers remorse or something.

    for what it is worth, regular epi pickups are stamped "epiphone" and look like this:

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    a gibson p90 looks like this:

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    and the one in the elitist looks like this:

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    sticker and different shape aside, they look pretty similar, don't they?

    if it is any consolation, the casino is probably more awesome than whatever tele you got.
     
  10. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    He was actually going by this
    http://www.epiphone.com/Products/Arc...st-Casino.aspx


    To be honest, both are great guitars, but I preferred his tele.
     
  11. lgehrig4

    lgehrig4 Silver Supporting Member

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    I read over this 3 times and I just can't figure where this fit into the conversation.

    I'll alert you when next time I see a thread entitled "How much should I expect to pay for an Elitist Casino".

    I understand though. You were just dying to get that thought out and when you saw "Casino" in the title you jumped on it.
     

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